Any recommended genderist writers?

It’s a legitimate question. Are women in Afghanistan oppressed because they adhere to gender stereotypes or because they are female?

Because they are female.

What do you think would happen if they refused to adhere to gender stereotypes and stated they identified with the stereotypes more typical of men?

They would be beaten into submission or killed.

Would they then be allowed the freedoms men have? If not, why not?

Because interchangeabilty threatens The Patriarchy.

If gender stereotypes are related to see, as you claim, why do gender stereotypes differ between cultures. Surely this just confirms they are not related to sex, or they would be universal.

Um, because organic impulses like equality are a threat raging patriarchal theocracies?

Here's a tip, when comparing countries & wondering why human behaviour isn't universal it might come in handy to consider the cultural political & economical limitations between them.

If this means you’re acknowledging that women have the right to single sex spaces & transpeople’s rights have to be balanced with that, then we could be getting somewhere.

Not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate?

But wouldn’t that presume the “group” woman all had things in common? What things do all women have in common that would make a male think he belonged in that group?

It’s a legitimate question. Are women in Afghanistan oppressed because they adhere to gender stereotypes or because they are female? What do you think would happen if they refused to adhere to gender stereotypes and stated they identified with the stereotypes more typical of men? Would they then be allowed the freedoms men have? If not, why not? If gender stereotypes are related to see, as you claim, why do gender stereotypes differ between cultures. Surely this just confirms they are not related to sex, or they would be universal.

Gender identification is an identification to the typical behaviours/gender more common to one sex. It's not saying you are that sex rather the gender.

Its gender not sex so your comment makes no sense in this context.

But you seem to be suggesting that it is useful of necessary to formally classify people according to gender.

Is the problem that people have been reading too much 2000s YA fiction and want to be sorted?

(Is it really all JKR's fault after all????)

But you are the one saying gender stereotypes are related to sex, and that a male knows he’s a woman because he identifies with the “stereotypes” more typical of females. So therefore according to you, sex and gender are related.

This is beyond dumb & that it continues to get repeated is embarrassing for this forum.

Just because trans people are legitimised as a valid identity doesn't mean their rights supersede others. Conflicting rights need to be managed & practical compromises made. Acknowledgement & rights are two different issues.

It's gender not sex. And its about categorising oneself with a group who has more in common with you rather than expecting a sex to behave a certain way.

This is beyond dumb & that it continues to get repeated is embarrassing for this forum.

Just because trans people are legitimised as a valid identity doesn't mean their rights supersede others. Conflicting rights need to be managed & practical compromises made. Acknowledgement & rights are two different issues.

Yes but again its upto the individual how they understand where they fit in more on balance.

Women do not have sex specific services because they 'fit in'. They have sex specific services because of the material consequences of sex. if it were just a question of 'fitting in' the service would be mixed sex.

so instead of being GNC, they believe that liking something or doing something makes one not one’s sex? How is that any different from those sexists in the 50’s and 60’s who claimed women could not do certain jobs or hobbies? So basically transpeople are just using sexist stereotypes to determine their identity?

But individuals have no ability to self define their sex.

This conversation is about gender not sex.

But individuals have no ability to self define their sex.

This conversation is about gender not sex.

Ewan Forbes was not trans, he had a DSD. His family were really upset about Playdon's misrepresentation.

https://www.voidifremoved.co.uk/p/the-curious-case-of-ewan-forbes

Pre-Corbett, transsexuals used to just pretend to have a DSD and get a friendly doctor to sign off so they could change their birth certificates using a legal mechanism that was never meant for them. I was surprised to learn their appropriation of 'intersex' went that far back.

But individuals have no ability to self define their sex. They might as well self define their age or their height.

Don't you think women in Afghanistan would be defining themselves as being men with a right to an education if that were possible?

Perhaps one could switch sex with one's partner if one were planning to have a baby but had just got a promotion at work?

Has anyone told the women in Afghanistan all they need to do is claim that they are really men and they’ll have full freedom again? @EmilyinEverton do you believe they are being oppressed because of their sex or their gender? How do the Taliban know which people to oppress?

But logically all you would be able to demonstrate is that some traits are more common in women. You would not be demonstrating that people with those traits are women.

Yes. But we are talking about how a trans person categorises their inclinations as a result of majority behaviour. Its like saying 'I have more in common with this group than that group therefore I identify more as belonging to it.

You could theorise that female mammals have evolved a drive to keep their young alive and male mammals have evolved to have as much sex as possible, but you wouldn't then suggest that a man who cares for his children is a woman.

Yes but again its upto the individual how they understand where they fit in more on balance.

But logically all you would be able to demonstrate is that some traits are more common in women. You would not be demonstrating that people with those traits are women.

Yes. But we are talking about how a trans person categorises their inclinations as a result of majority behaviour. Its like saying 'I have more in common with this group than that group therefore I identify more as belonging to it.

You could theorise that female mammals have evolved a drive to keep their young alive and male mammals have evolved to have as much sex as possible, but you wouldn't then suggest that a man who cares for his children is a woman.

Yes but again its upto the individual how they understand where they fit in more on balance.

If you’re saying that we should accept men in our spaces depending on their values & life choices, that’s ridiculous. Although I can accept that forcing their presence on women without our consent can count as a male life choice.

Omg …

The context is what an individual personally values more in order to define themselves as in their sex or gender.

But logically all you would be able to demonstrate is that some traits are more common in women. You would not be demonstrating that people with those traits are women.

You could theorise that female mammals have evolved a drive to keep their young alive and male mammals have evolved to have as much sex as possible, but you wouldn't then suggest that a man who cares for his children is a woman.

(and completely anecdotally, many trans widows report that their husbands prioritise their sex lives over the well being of their children, which using this theory would class them squarely as men...)