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Friend shocks me by suddenly saying he's female. How to handle this?

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MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 17:14

A month ago a male co-researcher and friend I have known for 10 years, "came out as trans" by posting a couple of pics of himself on FB wearing eyeliner and studs in his newly pierced ears, and by changing his pronouns to he/she and saying he is a "trans female".

Just four weeks previously we spent the whole afternoon together and he did not breathe a word about this. He is 45, tall, broad-shouldered, slim-hipped and has angular, very masculine facial features. He looked and acted exactly the same as I have always known him: completely male in looks, speech, mannerisms, dress, etc. Therefore his announcement has come as a complete shock and, to be honest, at first I thought he was playing a prank.

Later this year we are supposed to begin a joint project which entails working closely together for months and I just don't know how to handle the situation. I've been wondering how long I can avoid ever referring to him by any pronoun - easy when it's just the two of us but the moment I have to refer to him as "he" or "her" to another person I am going to have to make a choice. I'm already worrying about this eventuality because it is bound to happen. Also on the project itself... there may be some wording which refers to him by a pronoun and again, I have to make a choice. I don't see how I can get out of this awkward situation. If I refer to him as "she" then I am sort of announcing that I am going along with this nonsense, and if I call him "he" then obviously this is going to cause massive fall out between us. He might storm out and the project abandoned, possibly after many weeks of work.

Even if I can manage to avoid the pronoun thing, how can I stay silent or dodge the subject if he looks me right in the eye and tells me he's now female? He hasn't yet changed his name but if he does I just don't think I can bring myself to call him by a female name.

I thought the easiest thing would be to just cancel the project, but that would make it look like I cancelled "just because he's trans", making me look like the baddie, losing his friendship forever and risking him smearing my good name around our small town, among our many mutual acquaintances, with goodness knows what social/business/friendship repercussions. Ditto if I replace him with someone else - I'd have to give him a reason, which, again, will get me into some kind of trouble, name-called, cancelled, hated because there are quite a few punitive activists where I live.

I understand now why people go along with it - because the alternative is life-changing, possibly life-ruining.

I just really, really wish he hadn't done this because it's made things so awkward.

What would you do?

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 24/05/2026 11:04

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 11:02

I agree that pragmatic concerns need to be taken into account. Which is why I addressed them.

I'm afraid that in the eyes of TRA that makes you a transphobic bigot who is gate keeping transness

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 24/05/2026 11:03

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 10:59

Putting on a wig or lipstick doesn't make someone a woman and I'm unaware who has said so. Surely a trans woman who believes they are a woman wears a dress for the same reason any woman might? As signifier of femininity to ourselves or others. I don't put on lipstick to make myself a woman, but I do put it on to feel more feminine or as a cultural signifier to others about it. It's just a way that we (in our culture anyway) express gender.

The colleague in the OP seems to think putting on eyeliner and getting his ears pierced and saying some magic words has literally converted him into a female. No other apparent changes to his obviously male body.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 24/05/2026 11:03

Atoxicsewerofhate · 24/05/2026 10:34

Nobody's going through the hassle of transition just for access to a changing room.
But there's no hassle required for transition. You don't have to "do" anything at all.

Bloody hell - it's like some ppl have been asleep for the last 10 years

"all the hassle of transition" equals putting on a dress

here is Danielle muscatto going through all the hassle of transition

Friend shocks me by suddenly saying he's female. How to handle this?
LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 11:02

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 24/05/2026 10:22

Adult men have 160% the punch power of adult women. Of course that necessitates different prisons. So there is no physical equality between men and women. That's not to say the greater strength of men is 'better' than the superpower of creating new life of women. However that greater strength is a fact and that reality needs consideration when running things like prisons.

Adult men can easily over power and rape adult women if they want to. This is just a fact, especially in prison where it's obviously more difficult for the women to get away. The case of the 'transman' raped WITHIN THE HOUR after being put on a male psychiatric ward illustrates this risk.

If this difference in strength was due to a gene A vs B and divided equally among men and women then you bet society would be organised to protect the men without that extra strength from both men and women with it.

Prisons need to be organised in a way that recognises practical considerations and reality. Or, frankly, there won't be any staff to run them. They're already struggling for staff.

I agree that pragmatic concerns need to be taken into account. Which is why I addressed them.

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 10:59

ClimbEveryLadder · 24/05/2026 10:39

Lots of women find it insulting and dehumanising to be expected to pretend a man has become a woman by putting on a wig/dress/lipstick. It doesn’t matter whether you personally can see why, what matter is that is how we feel.

Putting on a wig or lipstick doesn't make someone a woman and I'm unaware who has said so. Surely a trans woman who believes they are a woman wears a dress for the same reason any woman might? As signifier of femininity to ourselves or others. I don't put on lipstick to make myself a woman, but I do put it on to feel more feminine or as a cultural signifier to others about it. It's just a way that we (in our culture anyway) express gender.

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 10:53

spannasaurus · 24/05/2026 10:17

The question asked was should we abolish single sex prisons for equality and you said theoretically yes. Are women safer in a female only prison or a mixed sex prison?

Trans identified women are placed in womens prisons in the UK

I said theoretically, but if you reread I qualified that with a more pragmatic view.

ClimbEveryLadder · 24/05/2026 10:44

MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 19:32

I can certainly try. And hope that there won't be any punishment.

If you do this before you start the project or discuss it any further you’ll see if working together has any future. If he doesn’t react well you’ll know there’s no point pursuing the collaboration.

ClimbEveryLadder · 24/05/2026 10:39

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 02:49

Your feelings definitely matter! I don't myself, see why that is dehumanising, however.

(I do appreciate everyone's perspective, though, especially as most people have been respectful to me, as I hope I am also being)

Lots of women find it insulting and dehumanising to be expected to pretend a man has become a woman by putting on a wig/dress/lipstick. It doesn’t matter whether you personally can see why, what matter is that is how we feel.

Atoxicsewerofhate · 24/05/2026 10:34

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 10:14

Theoretically, yes, the amount of violence in prison is shocking and unnecessary. Practically speaking, no. For one thing, a trans man would be in serious danger at a men's prison! It might be one of those cases where prisoners need individual protections. Given the small number of trans people and even smaller number of trans offenders, that shouldn't be too expensive. I wouldn't myself be concerned about a trans woman convicted of a nonviolent crime. But I don't think people should be able to transition for the first time in prison. Nobody's going through the hassle of transition just for access to a changing room. But they could easily do it to get better treatment in prison! When we go to prison we revoke some of our rights anyway.

Nobody's going through the hassle of transition just for access to a changing room.
But there's no hassle required for transition. You don't have to "do" anything at all.

MarieDeGournay · 24/05/2026 10:24

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 09:35

Access to those spaces at all? For example, if a trans woman can't use the woman's toilet or the man's, what are they supposed to do? Therefore, they don't have equality, practically or legally. A solution would be to have gender-neutral spaces, imo would be fine but unfortunately the infrastructure isn't there yet.

if a trans woman can't use the woman's toilet or the man's, what are they supposed to do?

The key word there is 'can't'.
Can't means 'unable to'. In what way is a transwoman 'unable' to use the men's toilet?
It's not like disabled people who can't use the standard toilets, because they are actually un-able to use them, and need the adaptations in an accessible toilet.

Being a transwoman does not mean you need to use the women's toilet, the way disabled people need to use the accessible toilet.

So I don't accept your use of the word 'can't' in 'if a trans woman can't use the woman's toilet or the man's'
because a transwoman can in fact use either, but they are only allowed to use one - the men's toilet, which they they are not un-able to use.

As long as a building has a men's and an accessible toilet, no transwoman, able-bodied or disabled, is ever in a position where there are no facilities that they can use.

They may prefer not to use the men's, they may chose not to use the men's, they may object to using the men's, but there's no evidence that they will come to any harm there, so it's just personal choice isn't it, it's not that they can't use the men's.

So I just don't accept this 'urinary leash' 'nowhere to go' 'what are we to do?' argument - there's no reason other than 'I don't want to' stopping transwomen from using the facilities designated for their sex. Not their gender ID, their sex.

I haven't even mentioned mixed sex toilets, which don't seem to be a solution as they are 'outing' .

And don't get me started on able-bodied transpeople using the accessible toilets!

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 24/05/2026 10:22

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 10:14

Theoretically, yes, the amount of violence in prison is shocking and unnecessary. Practically speaking, no. For one thing, a trans man would be in serious danger at a men's prison! It might be one of those cases where prisoners need individual protections. Given the small number of trans people and even smaller number of trans offenders, that shouldn't be too expensive. I wouldn't myself be concerned about a trans woman convicted of a nonviolent crime. But I don't think people should be able to transition for the first time in prison. Nobody's going through the hassle of transition just for access to a changing room. But they could easily do it to get better treatment in prison! When we go to prison we revoke some of our rights anyway.

Adult men have 160% the punch power of adult women. Of course that necessitates different prisons. So there is no physical equality between men and women. That's not to say the greater strength of men is 'better' than the superpower of creating new life of women. However that greater strength is a fact and that reality needs consideration when running things like prisons.

Adult men can easily over power and rape adult women if they want to. This is just a fact, especially in prison where it's obviously more difficult for the women to get away. The case of the 'transman' raped WITHIN THE HOUR after being put on a male psychiatric ward illustrates this risk.

If this difference in strength was due to a gene A vs B and divided equally among men and women then you bet society would be organised to protect the men without that extra strength from both men and women with it.

Prisons need to be organised in a way that recognises practical considerations and reality. Or, frankly, there won't be any staff to run them. They're already struggling for staff.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/05/2026 10:20

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 24/05/2026 10:12

All this dismissive 'how does it bother you' and 'it's just polite' bollocks. It's such a privileged position to take.

It bothers me because I find it really difficult to lie. This may be due to neurodivergence but whether or not it is (diagnosis in progress) I also don't want to lie. Calling someone I perceive as a man 'she/her' is lying. It upsets me quite a lot to be forced to lie about something I think is important for safeguarding and safety of women and children

If I'm forced to lie, even by just societal pressure, that tells me I'm worth less and my feelings are worth less (my upset at lying) than a man's feelings. That makes me feel quite shit, honestly.

I also am going through the menopause which means I struggle to remember all the things that are absolutely crucial in my life. I don't have the mental space to remember something new, I just don't. I have multiple alarms and multiple notes on my phone to remind me of things already (and no memory there left either). I don't have the mental space to stop using English the way I've used it for 40+ years. I need to prioritise things that are actually important like my children and my family caring responsibilities and my paid job.

It shows a hugely offensive disrespect for the lived reality of MANY women, particularly working class women, who are constantly juggling multiple responsibilities for actual human lives to act as if this additional mental load is nothing.

The same EHRC guidance is supposed to also consider the longterm impact of menopause on women. But it's not just the menopause is it? It's the menopause on top of the overwhelming amount of both badly paid and unpaid work that overwhelmingly women (and some men) do at this age.

Maybe if your Mum does all your cooking, cleaning and washing, pays all your bills and you have minimal adult responsibilities then you have plenty of time to thought police your own utterances and then it's not a big deal FOR YOU. But if you're the Mum doing all the above, holding down a job, caring for an elderly relative with dementia for whom you already need to alter your communication then it's a massive fucking ask, frankly.

I'm already calling all my children by each other's names all the time and those are the people I love the most. It's completely unconscious and unintentional but it happens. It's hard work remembering names these days, let alone special pronouns on top.

This is also why this shit is a class issue. And why working class people generally have no time for it at all. It's a middle-class luxury belief and a middle-class luxury demand of other people who are implicitly placed in the position of 'lesser' because there is no mutual understanding or respect.

This.

Wearenotborg · 24/05/2026 10:18

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 10:14

Theoretically, yes, the amount of violence in prison is shocking and unnecessary. Practically speaking, no. For one thing, a trans man would be in serious danger at a men's prison! It might be one of those cases where prisoners need individual protections. Given the small number of trans people and even smaller number of trans offenders, that shouldn't be too expensive. I wouldn't myself be concerned about a trans woman convicted of a nonviolent crime. But I don't think people should be able to transition for the first time in prison. Nobody's going through the hassle of transition just for access to a changing room. But they could easily do it to get better treatment in prison! When we go to prison we revoke some of our rights anyway.

Are you saying female people would be in danger in spaces where males are? Isn’t that a very valid argument for single sex spaces? Are you saying “transmen are men” but they should be in female prisons? That seems very transphobic to me. Surely if they are men they belong in all male spaces?

spannasaurus · 24/05/2026 10:17

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 10:14

Theoretically, yes, the amount of violence in prison is shocking and unnecessary. Practically speaking, no. For one thing, a trans man would be in serious danger at a men's prison! It might be one of those cases where prisoners need individual protections. Given the small number of trans people and even smaller number of trans offenders, that shouldn't be too expensive. I wouldn't myself be concerned about a trans woman convicted of a nonviolent crime. But I don't think people should be able to transition for the first time in prison. Nobody's going through the hassle of transition just for access to a changing room. But they could easily do it to get better treatment in prison! When we go to prison we revoke some of our rights anyway.

The question asked was should we abolish single sex prisons for equality and you said theoretically yes. Are women safer in a female only prison or a mixed sex prison?

Trans identified women are placed in womens prisons in the UK

Wearenotborg · 24/05/2026 10:15

So if it shouldn’t bother women having men using female spaces as “it’s not a big deal”, then surely it shouldn’t bother TIM using male spaces? Why is it no big deal for women having to share with men, but a life and death matter for a TIM to use male spaces?

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 10:14

spannasaurus · 24/05/2026 09:52

For true equality should we get rid of all single sex spaces? Mixed sex prisons perhaps for true equality between men and women?

Theoretically, yes, the amount of violence in prison is shocking and unnecessary. Practically speaking, no. For one thing, a trans man would be in serious danger at a men's prison! It might be one of those cases where prisoners need individual protections. Given the small number of trans people and even smaller number of trans offenders, that shouldn't be too expensive. I wouldn't myself be concerned about a trans woman convicted of a nonviolent crime. But I don't think people should be able to transition for the first time in prison. Nobody's going through the hassle of transition just for access to a changing room. But they could easily do it to get better treatment in prison! When we go to prison we revoke some of our rights anyway.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 24/05/2026 10:12

All this dismissive 'how does it bother you' and 'it's just polite' bollocks. It's such a privileged position to take.

It bothers me because I find it really difficult to lie. This may be due to neurodivergence but whether or not it is (diagnosis in progress) I also don't want to lie. Calling someone I perceive as a man 'she/her' is lying. It upsets me quite a lot to be forced to lie about something I think is important for safeguarding and safety of women and children

If I'm forced to lie, even by just societal pressure, that tells me I'm worth less and my feelings are worth less (my upset at lying) than a man's feelings. That makes me feel quite shit, honestly.

I also am going through the menopause which means I struggle to remember all the things that are absolutely crucial in my life. I don't have the mental space to remember something new, I just don't. I have multiple alarms and multiple notes on my phone to remind me of things already (and no memory there left either). I don't have the mental space to stop using English the way I've used it for 40+ years. I need to prioritise things that are actually important like my children and my family caring responsibilities and my paid job.

It shows a hugely offensive disrespect for the lived reality of MANY women, particularly working class women, who are constantly juggling multiple responsibilities for actual human lives to act as if this additional mental load is nothing.

The same EHRC guidance is supposed to also consider the longterm impact of menopause on women. But it's not just the menopause is it? It's the menopause on top of the overwhelming amount of both badly paid and unpaid work that overwhelmingly women (and some men) do at this age.

Maybe if your Mum does all your cooking, cleaning and washing, pays all your bills and you have minimal adult responsibilities then you have plenty of time to thought police your own utterances and then it's not a big deal FOR YOU. But if you're the Mum doing all the above, holding down a job, caring for an elderly relative with dementia for whom you already need to alter your communication then it's a massive fucking ask, frankly.

I'm already calling all my children by each other's names all the time and those are the people I love the most. It's completely unconscious and unintentional but it happens. It's hard work remembering names these days, let alone special pronouns on top.

This is also why this shit is a class issue. And why working class people generally have no time for it at all. It's a middle-class luxury belief and a middle-class luxury demand of other people who are implicitly placed in the position of 'lesser' because there is no mutual understanding or respect.

Wearenotborg · 24/05/2026 10:09

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 01:54

I appreciate the nuance, but for me I have never been able to understand how the existence of trans women could possibly "invalidate" my existence as a woman. Nor how it might infringe on my rights. And truly, I cannot fathom how it degrades me.
I don't intend to be dismissive by saying 'overblown', because I can tell that most people are coming from a place of of genuine concern, but I more meant to highlight that the discourse on this topic is HUGE compared to other things that actually affect women a lot more. It makes me suspicious that this is one of those culture wars peddled by the powers that be to distract from much bigger problems.

Edited

So if you can’t define what a woman is… how do you know which issues affect them more?

poodlemum01 · 24/05/2026 09:56

I'd just go quiet, don't message him, comment or like, and unfollow him so you don't see his nonsense, but stay connected so it doesn't look like you've deliberately unfriended. Then if he reaches out to ask about project, you could send a short message at that time saying "abc project has been postponed as other things have come up that I need to prioritise right now" and if he pushes on what these other things are, you could just say other work or personal stuff, keeping it vague. That would be the best approach overall I think.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/05/2026 09:56

When the arguments are made in general, in good faith, they come from deep naivety. I won’t comment on individuals.

Mmmnotsure · 24/05/2026 09:54

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/05/2026 09:53

These arguments are borne from deep naivety.

Just wondering - and I've added to it I know - if it is deep naivety, or if we are once again being thrown golden apples to be less helpful/relevant to the OP.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/05/2026 09:53

These arguments are borne from deep naivety.

spannasaurus · 24/05/2026 09:52

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 09:19

Yes. Feminism is about equality, ie how women used to not be allowed to have bank accounts, or how sadly we are still not seen as equipped for careers or leadership. If trans men can use "men's spaces" then there is no inequality. The question then becomes if a single-sex space is an accommodation towards equality, like a ramp for wheelchair users. What, then, is the accommodation that women don't have without it?

For true equality should we get rid of all single sex spaces? Mixed sex prisons perhaps for true equality between men and women?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/05/2026 09:49

PrettyDamnCosmic · 24/05/2026 09:43

It's more analogous to covering my shoulders in church even though I'm not Catholic. It's just being respectful.

That's a choice you make when entering a Catholic church. It's more analogous to a Muslim co-worker insisting you cover your hair at work where you have no choice.

Indeed.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/05/2026 09:46

It’s not about “chromosomes”, it’s about sex. Male people/female people. Why are you spouting TRA talking points and claiming to be neutral?