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Friend shocks me by suddenly saying he's female. How to handle this?

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MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 17:14

A month ago a male co-researcher and friend I have known for 10 years, "came out as trans" by posting a couple of pics of himself on FB wearing eyeliner and studs in his newly pierced ears, and by changing his pronouns to he/she and saying he is a "trans female".

Just four weeks previously we spent the whole afternoon together and he did not breathe a word about this. He is 45, tall, broad-shouldered, slim-hipped and has angular, very masculine facial features. He looked and acted exactly the same as I have always known him: completely male in looks, speech, mannerisms, dress, etc. Therefore his announcement has come as a complete shock and, to be honest, at first I thought he was playing a prank.

Later this year we are supposed to begin a joint project which entails working closely together for months and I just don't know how to handle the situation. I've been wondering how long I can avoid ever referring to him by any pronoun - easy when it's just the two of us but the moment I have to refer to him as "he" or "her" to another person I am going to have to make a choice. I'm already worrying about this eventuality because it is bound to happen. Also on the project itself... there may be some wording which refers to him by a pronoun and again, I have to make a choice. I don't see how I can get out of this awkward situation. If I refer to him as "she" then I am sort of announcing that I am going along with this nonsense, and if I call him "he" then obviously this is going to cause massive fall out between us. He might storm out and the project abandoned, possibly after many weeks of work.

Even if I can manage to avoid the pronoun thing, how can I stay silent or dodge the subject if he looks me right in the eye and tells me he's now female? He hasn't yet changed his name but if he does I just don't think I can bring myself to call him by a female name.

I thought the easiest thing would be to just cancel the project, but that would make it look like I cancelled "just because he's trans", making me look like the baddie, losing his friendship forever and risking him smearing my good name around our small town, among our many mutual acquaintances, with goodness knows what social/business/friendship repercussions. Ditto if I replace him with someone else - I'd have to give him a reason, which, again, will get me into some kind of trouble, name-called, cancelled, hated because there are quite a few punitive activists where I live.

I understand now why people go along with it - because the alternative is life-changing, possibly life-ruining.

I just really, really wish he hadn't done this because it's made things so awkward.

What would you do?

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Emilesgran · 23/05/2026 17:58

MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 17:53

I don't know if he's open to it. I didn't know him very deeply to begin with but now he feels like a total stranger that I don't comprehend at all.

I think your suggestion is a good one, though. Ask for a face-to-face meeting over a cuppa and say just what you wrote. And if he cannot "agree to disagree" then it's him voluntarily withdrawing from the project.

I'll be really sorry to lose him, as I don't think I can do the project without him as he has expertise it takes years to acquire.

If it's a project that means a lot to you, I wouldn't risk saying the above - it seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face, not to mention that it sounds as though he could take it badly and possibly use it against you. Maybe the first bit, that you've prepared, would go ok but then if he argues back who knows where the discussion might go and how he might interpret what you say?

What about just being non committal about the subject and using his name all the time?

(Because you seem to have as much or more to lose from backing out than he does?)

WallaceinAnderland · 23/05/2026 17:57

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 23/05/2026 17:56

I think I’d be really pragmatic with him.
I invited Steve to work with me on this project and I’d like steve to turn up. Is that going to be an issue? I don’t want to know about your personal life, but to focus on the task.

No, you can't do that.

Notimefor · 23/05/2026 17:57

shutuporsaysomething · 23/05/2026 17:35

Having to abandon the project seems a bit drastic. Appreciate this can be a potential minefield but if he’s a good friend can you talk to him about how you feel? Maybe along the lines of well obviously you wear and call yourself whatever you want to but I’ve known you as my male friend Steve for 10 years so this is a surprise , it’ll take some getting used to and bluntly we might not always agree on language etc?

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PrizedPickledPopcorn · 23/05/2026 17:56

I think I’d be really pragmatic with him.
I invited Steve to work with me on this project and I’d like steve to turn up. Is that going to be an issue? I don’t want to know about your personal life, but to focus on the task.

WallaceinAnderland · 23/05/2026 17:55

As pp have said, It depends a lot on your work set up OP. I wouldn't speak with him about it until you know where you stand legally.

MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 17:53

MyThreeWords · 23/05/2026 17:28

How open is he likely to be to any imposition of boundaries on your part? Say, for example, you were to tell him that, in working with him, you want to stay clear of any requirement to validate his identity: you want your time together to be undistractedly focussed on the project, and you will use his name rather than pronouns.

If he isn't open to that, I would make my excuses and run. If you know in advance that he won't be open to that, don't even raise the question, don't say anything about his announcement, just find some excuse for withdrawing.

I don't know if he's open to it. I didn't know him very deeply to begin with but now he feels like a total stranger that I don't comprehend at all.

I think your suggestion is a good one, though. Ask for a face-to-face meeting over a cuppa and say just what you wrote. And if he cannot "agree to disagree" then it's him voluntarily withdrawing from the project.

I'll be really sorry to lose him, as I don't think I can do the project without him as he has expertise it takes years to acquire.

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SummerCycling · 23/05/2026 17:52

I don't see why this should make you give up the project if it's a project you'd like to do for whatever reason. What you want matters more to you than this person changing gender.

I think I'd say something like 'oh ok, thanks for the update - I've known you for ages as a man so apologies in advance if a 'he' or the name I knew you as slips out. It won't make any difference to how we work on the project will it? '

I mean just to be polite and show you are not expecting it to affect working on the project and covering yourself for any mistakes. I would find it really hard to avoid slips after knowing someone so long as a man - maybe when the person is in the room you'll remember because the person will presumably be dressing as how the person views as a woman.

I do agree it's mind bogglingly confusing and it's amazing how many people are changing their gender. But it sounds like you got on well up to now, so hopefully that will help make working on the project together go ok even if the friendship is no longer the same.

YourWildAmberSloth · 23/05/2026 17:52

Sounds like the friendship is lost forever anyway, if you can't accept that he is now a trans female. I'm not saying that you are wrong - in your shoes I would struggle tbh. Your feelings are valid, and just because they have taken this step it doesn't mean that you have to be on board.

Flunkit · 23/05/2026 17:52

I'd try any way I could to cancel or delay the project

Emptybath · 23/05/2026 17:50

Just call him by his name, instead of a pronoun. I did this with a colleague. It’s a pain in the arse to do tbh, but the pragmatic solution. If he tries a conversation about being trans just don’t engage and changes the subject. If he forces it, do what pp says and say ‘your private life is not my concern’ and talk about work again. Then he can flounce if he wants to.

It depends how important the project is to you, I suppose. If it’s not the important just call it off, but if it is important to you, I would do the above.

MarieDeGournay · 23/05/2026 17:50

I'm very sorry you're faced with having to deal with this OP.
The only tiny ray of positiveness I see in it is that it is only starting out, you are in at the beginning of his...what shall I call it politely? 'action'.

It's not like having to deal with someone who is already trans-IDing.
You already have a relationship with this person, on the basis that he is a man.
A friendship is a 50-50 thing. He has made a decision, he wants your validation, but he can't demand it from you.

I agree with MyThreeWords about establishing boundaries - this is where being 'in at the beginning' is useful.

He undoubtedly feels it is important for him to be 100% honest with you about who he is [now], and you are equally entitled to be 100% honest with him about how that changes the basis for your friendship with him, changes his standing as your long-established colleague, and causes profound issues for you, which are as genuinely important to you as his are to him.

As far as the work project is concerned - I just don't know what to say about that, except that it sounds very tricky to avoid it without making it appear that it's all about the trans thing, but months of working closely with him and having to suppress your feelings would be awful.

I hope you get useful advice here - at least you can come on here and tell us how you are feeling about the situationFlowers

LizardyGuts · 23/05/2026 17:50

Sorry if I missed you saying, but it's not clear if the project is in work time and you're an employee, or you're a self employed contractor, or it's something like the parent council at school, or if it's a completely voluntary/social hobby thing.
I think it'll change my answer slightly depending on the exact context.

WallaceinAnderland · 23/05/2026 17:48

From a legal point of view, it's best just to not work together again.

FarewelltotheHorse · 23/05/2026 17:47

arethereanyleftatall · 23/05/2026 17:41

I would be clear to both him and my company on my position from the outset ‘I’m not calling you she because you’re male, and thus ‘he’. It is degrading to pretend males are females. Do you want this project to go ahead.’
so many events have happened recently that we’re allowed to tell the truth again

This is poor legal advice. Gender critical employees have tended to lose legal cases where they have explicitly refused to use a trans person's pronouns, and nothing in the law has changed that makes this any less likely to happen in future.

OP, it's not clear what capacity this research is taking place in - is this a work thing, a voluntary thing, an academic thing? If your relationship could be interpreted as employer/employee you have to be very careful about any changes of plans, because I'm afraid this person would have a case for discrimination if you suddenly drop them as soon as they come out as trans and can't come up with a very convincing alternative reason why this happened at just the same time. The same might be true if it's a voluntary or academic position, depending on the set up and the dynamic.

WallaceinAnderland · 23/05/2026 17:47

There is never any compromise here. You can't just say 'ok well can you believe what you want and let me believe what I want'.

That's the problem, there's no middle ground, you are expected to adopt his language and beliefs and that's not ok.

You are absolutely within your rights to say I don't want any part of this. You do you and let me make my own choices too.

Monty36 · 23/05/2026 17:46

You ask her/him how they wish to handle it.

They have been upfront with you and clearly feels able to talk to you. So feel able to talk back and ask.
I worked alongside trans people many moons ago. It takes a great deal for a person to have such a conversation. They know what is said about them and are at huge risk of personal attacks, bullying and ridicule.

Talk to her/him.

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MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 17:43

PifflyHigs · 23/05/2026 17:39

Urgh.

I mean, if he is a friend do you think you could voice how you feel without the risk of backlash from him?

He's not a close friend. He's someone I've collaborated with on some projects, but also met privately for a cuppa and a chat now and again, for over 10 years.

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Gallusoldbesom · 23/05/2026 17:43

I really feel for you OP, what a hideous position to be in. If it was me I’d speak to him in advance of the project start date and say while I’m happy to respect a change of name I won’t call him she/her because as we all know it’s impossible to change sex (and very insulting to women to suggest that earrings and eyeliner makes him a woman). That way if he’s going to have mantrum he’ll not do it part way through and you have time to find someone else. The tide is turning on this nonsense but there are still some zealots who will affirm no matter what so it’s still a tricky situation.

WallaceinAnderland · 23/05/2026 17:43

MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 17:37

The project is my brainchild and I invited him to join, as he is the expert on this particular subject. I don't know anyone else who could replace him, so it would be cancelled. The timing is up to me so yes, I could just wait and wait... and then never do it, that would get me out of it without having to say why.

I think you might have to do this unfortunately.

parietal · 23/05/2026 17:42

shutuporsaysomething · 23/05/2026 17:35

Having to abandon the project seems a bit drastic. Appreciate this can be a potential minefield but if he’s a good friend can you talk to him about how you feel? Maybe along the lines of well obviously you wear and call yourself whatever you want to but I’ve known you as my male friend Steve for 10 years so this is a surprise , it’ll take some getting used to and bluntly we might not always agree on language etc?

This approach is good. See how it goes.

MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 17:41

FarewelltotheHorse · 23/05/2026 17:37

I thought the easiest thing would be to just cancel the project, but that would make it look like I cancelled "just because he's trans",

I mean, it wouldn't make it "look like" that would it, that would be what is happening.

Yes, you are right. It is because of the "trans thing".

What I meant was, it will look like I am being a horrible person when I'm not at all; I'm just a woman and a realist.

I'd rather he said he'd "found Jesus" because he would not expect me to convert as well but allow me to continue to be an atheist - i.e. live and let live.

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arethereanyleftatall · 23/05/2026 17:41

I would be clear to both him and my company on my position from the outset ‘I’m not calling you she because you’re male, and thus ‘he’. It is degrading to pretend males are females. Do you want this project to go ahead.’
so many events have happened recently that we’re allowed to tell the truth again

StandingDeskDisco · 23/05/2026 17:40

Even if I can manage to avoid the pronoun thing, how can I stay silent or dodge the subject if he looks me right in the eye and tells me he's now female?
You could say "Your private life is not my concern, we are here to work," and then immediately ask him a question about the work.
Alternatively say something like "pull the other one" or "I don't see it the way you do" and again immediately change the subject to work. If he refused to let it pass and tries to engage you in arguing, then it is option one above: you are here to work not talk about his private life.

This frames his "trans-ness" as something private to him, nothing to do with you or work.

He hasn't yet changed his name but if he does I just don't think I can bring myself to call him by a female name.
That wouldn't bother me. Names are just names.