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Friend shocks me by suddenly saying he's female. How to handle this?

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MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 17:14

A month ago a male co-researcher and friend I have known for 10 years, "came out as trans" by posting a couple of pics of himself on FB wearing eyeliner and studs in his newly pierced ears, and by changing his pronouns to he/she and saying he is a "trans female".

Just four weeks previously we spent the whole afternoon together and he did not breathe a word about this. He is 45, tall, broad-shouldered, slim-hipped and has angular, very masculine facial features. He looked and acted exactly the same as I have always known him: completely male in looks, speech, mannerisms, dress, etc. Therefore his announcement has come as a complete shock and, to be honest, at first I thought he was playing a prank.

Later this year we are supposed to begin a joint project which entails working closely together for months and I just don't know how to handle the situation. I've been wondering how long I can avoid ever referring to him by any pronoun - easy when it's just the two of us but the moment I have to refer to him as "he" or "her" to another person I am going to have to make a choice. I'm already worrying about this eventuality because it is bound to happen. Also on the project itself... there may be some wording which refers to him by a pronoun and again, I have to make a choice. I don't see how I can get out of this awkward situation. If I refer to him as "she" then I am sort of announcing that I am going along with this nonsense, and if I call him "he" then obviously this is going to cause massive fall out between us. He might storm out and the project abandoned, possibly after many weeks of work.

Even if I can manage to avoid the pronoun thing, how can I stay silent or dodge the subject if he looks me right in the eye and tells me he's now female? He hasn't yet changed his name but if he does I just don't think I can bring myself to call him by a female name.

I thought the easiest thing would be to just cancel the project, but that would make it look like I cancelled "just because he's trans", making me look like the baddie, losing his friendship forever and risking him smearing my good name around our small town, among our many mutual acquaintances, with goodness knows what social/business/friendship repercussions. Ditto if I replace him with someone else - I'd have to give him a reason, which, again, will get me into some kind of trouble, name-called, cancelled, hated because there are quite a few punitive activists where I live.

I understand now why people go along with it - because the alternative is life-changing, possibly life-ruining.

I just really, really wish he hadn't done this because it's made things so awkward.

What would you do?

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Monty36 · 23/05/2026 18:11

bakingsodar · 23/05/2026 18:10

Ok, so they are a friend....very much manly looking but now self declared a woman's identity....since they know each other, he or she might wants sex....so?

What utter drivel.

bakingsodar · 23/05/2026 18:11

I had the same, was the sweetest gentlemanly trans I every had around me....adorable tall masculin man

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Tempertantrumms · 23/05/2026 18:10

If this project is designed to make money for both of you through a company you own, I wouldn't assume that this man won't have a discrimination claim against you if you drop him from the project for trans-related reasons. I'd get legal advice before doing or saying anything to him that he won't like.
You say that his pronouns are currently he/she, so there seems to be some flexibility at the moment, but of course that may well change.

AImportantMermaid · 23/05/2026 18:10

I’d just take a ‘that’s nice, dear’, approach. He’s allowed to have his beliefs. You don’t have to agree with him. I’d just not discuss it unless it actually becomes a problem.

Monty36 · 23/05/2026 18:10

I can honestly say that I met worse people who are clearly male or female than the trans people I have met.
I am not trans myself. I just worked with them.
Depressing thread.

Dragonflyspeeding · 23/05/2026 18:10

I'd cancel the project. I've no time for this BS.

They MUST be someone else with similar expertise. This MAN cannot be the only person who knows the info you require. After all, HE learned it from someone at some stage.

bakingsodar · 23/05/2026 18:10

bakingsodar · 23/05/2026 18:04

I am christian and worked with trans people. I called them by name

Ok, so they are a friend....very much manly looking but now self declared a woman's identity....since they know each other, he or she might wants sex....so?

MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 18:08

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You made me laugh, which is good as it lightened up something that has really got me feeling miserable.

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VoltaireMittyDream · 23/05/2026 18:08

shutuporsaysomething · 23/05/2026 17:35

Having to abandon the project seems a bit drastic. Appreciate this can be a potential minefield but if he’s a good friend can you talk to him about how you feel? Maybe along the lines of well obviously you wear and call yourself whatever you want to but I’ve known you as my male friend Steve for 10 years so this is a surprise , it’ll take some getting used to and bluntly we might not always agree on language etc?

I agree with this approach.

Monty36 · 23/05/2026 18:08

MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 18:02

I'm quite certain the law does not come into this. We are not employees. It's more like a hobby project based on our shared love of something.

You wanted to engage your friend on a project that you hope will make you both money but not involve any contract, formal agreement or paperwork ? That will entail you working closely together for months ?
I get it relates to your hobby but it sounds like a serious task. Not to have anything in place sounds risky to me. Irrespective of anything to do with his transition. How much money would be being put into this project ? That alone would require some sort of agreement.
And if you have one of those you do need to consider legalities.

spongebunnyfatpants · 23/05/2026 18:07

They are the same person they were before, if you got on well before theres no reason why that should change.

Trans people understand it takes a while for others to get used to new names and pronouns, I'm sure it won't be an issue if you accidently use the wrong one.

However. What is an issue is your bigoted attitude, maybe it will be better if you dont work with her, but make sure you tell people the reason why.....that instead of supporting a colleague and friend, you'd rather give up the project. You shouldn't ask to remove them or cancel the project, you need to remove yourself from it and give him the chance to work with someone supportive.

IwantToRetire · 23/05/2026 18:07

MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 17:59

I was being deliberately vague so as not to accidentally expose who I am and who my friend is.

It's none of those things, without outing myself let's say it's a "shared hobby" but I own the company that would turn our joint project into something that makes money for both of us, 50-50.

Have just seen this, so in this situation I find it somehow worse that he hasn't made contact.

arbielle · 23/05/2026 18:06

I worked with someone in 1999 same thing , very masculine looking, builders build , big hairy legs, used to come to work in a mini dress and stilettos, no tights. It’s challenging to say the least.

MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 18:06

FarewelltotheHorse · 23/05/2026 17:47

This is poor legal advice. Gender critical employees have tended to lose legal cases where they have explicitly refused to use a trans person's pronouns, and nothing in the law has changed that makes this any less likely to happen in future.

OP, it's not clear what capacity this research is taking place in - is this a work thing, a voluntary thing, an academic thing? If your relationship could be interpreted as employer/employee you have to be very careful about any changes of plans, because I'm afraid this person would have a case for discrimination if you suddenly drop them as soon as they come out as trans and can't come up with a very convincing alternative reason why this happened at just the same time. The same might be true if it's a voluntary or academic position, depending on the set up and the dynamic.

He's not an employee. It's a shared hobby. He is an expert in his 50% of the project and I am the expert on my 50% - no overlap, so he cannot do it without me, and vice-versa. When the project comes to fruition the small company I own will then commercialise it and he and I will share the income.

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PermanentTemporary · 23/05/2026 18:05

I’d keep going. Use the name that’s suggested; everyone has the right to change their name. Start stripping your language of pronouns - it gets easier - and use she if you have to.

Just be as normal as you can. Ignore the transition - it’s their business. Practice a couple of neutral responses like ‘I’m not very interested in clothes’ if they try to involve you in discussions of their outfit (this has happened to a friend. Of course that won’t work if you are madly into fashion).

ScribblingPixie · 23/05/2026 18:05

I'd definitely not have a conversation about it that could be turned against you - and don't imagine that couldn't happen. I'd just let the project drift and think about a way you might do it without him in the future.

Nevs · 23/05/2026 18:05

Even if I can manage to avoid the pronoun thing, how can I stay silent or dodge the subject if he looks me right in the eye and tells me he's now female?

“I’m not obliged to play along with your fantasies but by all means you do you” would suffice.

I am Slavic and I cannot believe how much people beat around the bush on this topic in the UK. You do realise they’re not qualified to argue with science no? I’ve no time for such nonsense.

Anotherdayofrain · 23/05/2026 18:04

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What the fuck?

bakingsodar · 23/05/2026 18:04

I am christian and worked with trans people. I called them by name

IwantToRetire · 23/05/2026 18:04

I am really sorry you are being put in this position.

And would like to add that as this is your project and you invited him to be part of it, would like to think rather than expecting you to just accept some general announcement on SM or where ever he would get in touch with you!

But as now seems to be the norm everyone else is supposed to adjust to their "reality".

Also, a PP referred to work colleagues being expected to be kind and used the preferred pronouns of the trans person.

However the Forestater case made clear that both "beliefs" have equal status ie sex realist vs. sex identifiers.

But think the suggestion made by others to say to him, its your life but as I know you as Joe Blogs and invited you to work with me as Joe Blogs that is who you will be to me as a co-worker. (Thanks for your understanding Joe!)

Best of luck Flowers

itswindyoutside · 23/05/2026 18:03

The level of autonomy you have doesn't make it sound like a project set by an employer.

I am very gender critical but I think you need to be careful you don't get dragged into a discrimination case if it's a service or organisation you're involved with, even if voluntary.

I'd probably let the project die a death - make excuses that can't be challenged if necessary, like 'personal reasons' .

Ultimately you need to decide if the mental/ethical gymnastics are worth your time and energy vs how much the project matters to you.

MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 18:02

WallaceinAnderland · 23/05/2026 17:48

From a legal point of view, it's best just to not work together again.

I'm quite certain the law does not come into this. We are not employees. It's more like a hobby project based on our shared love of something.

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MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 17:59

LizardyGuts · 23/05/2026 17:50

Sorry if I missed you saying, but it's not clear if the project is in work time and you're an employee, or you're a self employed contractor, or it's something like the parent council at school, or if it's a completely voluntary/social hobby thing.
I think it'll change my answer slightly depending on the exact context.

I was being deliberately vague so as not to accidentally expose who I am and who my friend is.

It's none of those things, without outing myself let's say it's a "shared hobby" but I own the company that would turn our joint project into something that makes money for both of us, 50-50.

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