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Friend shocks me by suddenly saying he's female. How to handle this?

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MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 17:14

A month ago a male co-researcher and friend I have known for 10 years, "came out as trans" by posting a couple of pics of himself on FB wearing eyeliner and studs in his newly pierced ears, and by changing his pronouns to he/she and saying he is a "trans female".

Just four weeks previously we spent the whole afternoon together and he did not breathe a word about this. He is 45, tall, broad-shouldered, slim-hipped and has angular, very masculine facial features. He looked and acted exactly the same as I have always known him: completely male in looks, speech, mannerisms, dress, etc. Therefore his announcement has come as a complete shock and, to be honest, at first I thought he was playing a prank.

Later this year we are supposed to begin a joint project which entails working closely together for months and I just don't know how to handle the situation. I've been wondering how long I can avoid ever referring to him by any pronoun - easy when it's just the two of us but the moment I have to refer to him as "he" or "her" to another person I am going to have to make a choice. I'm already worrying about this eventuality because it is bound to happen. Also on the project itself... there may be some wording which refers to him by a pronoun and again, I have to make a choice. I don't see how I can get out of this awkward situation. If I refer to him as "she" then I am sort of announcing that I am going along with this nonsense, and if I call him "he" then obviously this is going to cause massive fall out between us. He might storm out and the project abandoned, possibly after many weeks of work.

Even if I can manage to avoid the pronoun thing, how can I stay silent or dodge the subject if he looks me right in the eye and tells me he's now female? He hasn't yet changed his name but if he does I just don't think I can bring myself to call him by a female name.

I thought the easiest thing would be to just cancel the project, but that would make it look like I cancelled "just because he's trans", making me look like the baddie, losing his friendship forever and risking him smearing my good name around our small town, among our many mutual acquaintances, with goodness knows what social/business/friendship repercussions. Ditto if I replace him with someone else - I'd have to give him a reason, which, again, will get me into some kind of trouble, name-called, cancelled, hated because there are quite a few punitive activists where I live.

I understand now why people go along with it - because the alternative is life-changing, possibly life-ruining.

I just really, really wish he hadn't done this because it's made things so awkward.

What would you do?

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FarewelltotheHorse · 23/05/2026 18:41

zappyy · 23/05/2026 18:38

But calling a man "she" implies agreement with the idea that woman is merely an identity that can be appropriated by men if they desire to. It's not a neutral action.

Not necessarily. It can just imply an agreement that it's generally polite to call people what they prefer to be called.

FarewelltotheHorse · 23/05/2026 18:40

NeuroticGingerCat · 23/05/2026 18:36

Oh- I wish I was a cool girl

I'm a very uncool middle aged woman, and honestly I manage to get on with the trans people in my life largely because I don't consider their beliefs about their gender/sex to really be my business, any more than my beliefs are their business. Perhaps you should give it a go?

Cailleach1 · 23/05/2026 18:39

MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 17:35

I am actually deeply offended - the idea that a woman is created by putting eyeliner on a man seems degrading to my entire sex.

Hmm, I’m not sure he has completely magicked himself from a man entirely and completely into a woman if he hasn’t got a hair slide in. The eye liner, and the earrings are all well and good. Like the rock stars have. But a hair slide is the magic gadget.

I’m sorry for the flat earth, anti science ideological situation this man has brought to your door. A real dawning of the dark ages, even more unscientific than the first time around. What is the choice? Go along with his claims, or find a way to avoid being in such a dystopian situation that does not harm you, or your prospects.

Think of a way of sparing yourself the aggravation of having to indulge such false claims. Nobody changes their sex. Find a new partner, or new project.

Maybe next time you meet him, tell him there is a force field around you, and if he comes within six metres of it he will be magicked ‘back’ into a man. No more odd than his claims.

ThatZanyFatball · 23/05/2026 18:39

MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 18:06

He's not an employee. It's a shared hobby. He is an expert in his 50% of the project and I am the expert on my 50% - no overlap, so he cannot do it without me, and vice-versa. When the project comes to fruition the small company I own will then commercialise it and he and I will share the income.

I mean, then what it comes down to is how important is this project and what will the long-term outcome be in terms of having to remain connected with you? I think you have several options but you have to consider them very carefully.

If the project is important to your business, and he's the only other person who can support you on it, you may need to bite the bullet and get through the project but hopefully once it's over you can go your separate ways?

If it's going to require really long-term and close work, and will forever link him to your company, is it worth dropping?

Or is there really no one else you can replace him with? Being that he's not an employee it's not an HR issue.

Personally, if a male friend told me he was Trans I would likely drop the friendship. I know lurkers might think that's whatever but I can't imagine choosing to remain friends with someone, in order to be their friend, I'd have to pretend I'm OK with something Im in firm ideological disagreement with. Another poster said even if they found Jesus unless they were trying to convert me I could tolerate it, but with trans ideology Id just rather not be friends frankly out of courtesy to them as much as for my dignity.

zappyy · 23/05/2026 18:38

Laura95167 · 23/05/2026 18:30

You are being pretty horrible to this friend. Based on nothing other than theyve said on FB please use "she" theyve asked nothing of you and youre trying to sack them because you believe its nonsense they now identify as trans.

Youre not even considering that this might be fine, they might expect it to be hard for people.

Youre saying if theyd found Jesus at least it wouldnt mean you had to convert whilst also expecting them to firmly convert to your opinion gender is aligned to sex. I dont know why you cant accept your friend feels differently and use the pronoun they asked for

But calling a man "she" implies agreement with the idea that woman is merely an identity that can be appropriated by men if they desire to. It's not a neutral action.

MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 18:38

Slightyamusedandsilly · 23/05/2026 18:32

She doesn't have to go along with it. She can end the friendship.

But she doesn't want to do that. She wants another person to do what she wants, so she can continue to use them.

Self-obsessed, much?

"continue to use them"

You know NOTHING about how my association with this man has been conducted, so let me put you straight: nothing could be further from the truth. My friend needs money and my offer would make him money - lots of it. He was extremely grateful when I made him the offer. If that's "using" in your mind then you need a dictionary.

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Monty36 · 23/05/2026 18:37

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/05/2026 18:20

Have you felt equally sorry for the women forced to share with changing rooms with men performing female stereotypes? Or the female rape survivor told that no she couldn't have a support group that was only for actual women? Or the women bullied out if their jobs because they refused to lie and say men can be women?

or is it only men performing their stereotyped idea of what womanhood that get your sympathy?

oh and transness is not about sexuality which is why straight TW claim to lesbians so they can have sex with women

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Feeling sympathy with how some people are towards others does not exclude me from feeling sympathy or even concern for all sorts of situations and people.
It is possible to do both.

zappyy · 23/05/2026 18:36

Slightyamusedandsilly · 23/05/2026 18:23

I do actually feel sorry for him because he seems to have lost his way in life, and ended up falling into this as a way to cope with the heavy stress he's been under lately.
Could you be any more patronising? If you talked to her, I'm sure she'd explain she has felt this way since childhood.

If this person is someone who likes me, and values me professionally, can he not respect my wishes?
It's not your life. It's hers. So have nothing to do with her if you disagree so much. Your loss though.

A lot of these men start thinking of themselves as women in adulthood, as a result of repeatedly indulging sexual fantasies where they imagine themselves as women.

ScrollingLeaves · 23/05/2026 18:36

Laura95167 · 23/05/2026 18:30

You are being pretty horrible to this friend. Based on nothing other than theyve said on FB please use "she" theyve asked nothing of you and youre trying to sack them because you believe its nonsense they now identify as trans.

Youre not even considering that this might be fine, they might expect it to be hard for people.

Youre saying if theyd found Jesus at least it wouldnt mean you had to convert whilst also expecting them to firmly convert to your opinion gender is aligned to sex. I dont know why you cant accept your friend feels differently and use the pronoun they asked for

He can be a ‘gender’, adopting feminine stereotypes, and enjoying his imagined self in his own mind, without saying he has to be recognised as a sex.

He can put on eyeliner, change his clothes etc but that is all. He cannot expect anyone to believe, or endorse, that he actually is a woman.

NeuroticGingerCat · 23/05/2026 18:36

FarewelltotheHorse · 23/05/2026 18:33

That sounds like a you problem.

Oh- I wish I was a cool girl

MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 18:34

Imunravelled · 23/05/2026 18:24

Only you can decide if it's worth it for you (financially, professionally etc) to go ahead with the project. Or if having to half pretend he's a woman would just take the enjoyment out of the whole thing.

I don't really understand the way that the project is set up but would it be possible for you to say there is a reason for needing to postpone it for a few months - another project that you need to prioritise so you won't have the time maybe? That would give you a bit of time to let everything shake itself out a bit with him and decide if you want to work together.

"take the enjoyment out of the whole thing"

NAIL ON HEAD! He's ruined it for me already by suddenly coming out with this announcement. I was looking forward to spending lots of time with him during our collaboration, because we've always enjoyed each other's company.

Now I am feeling like I will have to walk on eggshells, and if I don't go along with it 100% he will not only turn against me, but smear me to everyone we know. My worry about that has already taken all the enjoyment out of it and replaced it with worry, anxiety, and a sick feeling in my stomach. I think your making me realise that has given me the answer to it -- I really will have to cancel the project, which also makes me feel gutted, but at least it does not make me feel terrified of being targetted by the mob. I have seen on YouTube how viciously they attack women and I don't want to put myself in that firing line.

I'll postpone it and hope that one day he'll realise it was just a response to heavy stress and return to being his old self again.

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FarewelltotheHorse · 23/05/2026 18:33

NeuroticGingerCat · 23/05/2026 18:31

I'd feel a right dick calling a strapping bloke Mary- it's idiotic and, worse, it upholds the insulting assertion that men can be women

That sounds like a you problem.

FarewelltotheHorse · 23/05/2026 18:32

MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 18:26

Jamval you are extremely prejudiced. It does not even cross your mind that I am a lesbian.

It's not nice when people are prejudiced, is it.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 23/05/2026 18:32

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/05/2026 18:25

hes a man

he's always been a man

he'll always be a man

why should ppl affirm his delusion? Would ppl go along with it if he claimed to be napoleon or Jesus?

She doesn't have to go along with it. She can end the friendship.

But she doesn't want to do that. She wants another person to do what she wants, so she can continue to use them.

Self-obsessed, much?

NeuroticGingerCat · 23/05/2026 18:31

FarewelltotheHorse · 23/05/2026 18:26

If it wasn't doing me any harm and it was clearly important to them, honestly I probably would be like "Ok Napoleon, shall we get cracking on this project then?" Why not?

I'd feel a right dick calling a strapping bloke Mary- it's idiotic and, worse, it upholds the insulting assertion that men can be women

ScribblingPixie · 23/05/2026 18:31

I'd take a good hard look at some of the replies you're getting on here, OP, and avoid getting yourself into a situation that could blow up. This 'friend' hasn't shown you much respect IMO - a couple of posts on FB doesn't cover the fact that you have been put in the position of having made an offer to, essentially, a different person to the one you thought you were going to be working alongside. It's ok to reassess, and the fact you're already thinking that he is dealing badly with pressure isn't good.

Laura95167 · 23/05/2026 18:30

MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 17:41

Yes, you are right. It is because of the "trans thing".

What I meant was, it will look like I am being a horrible person when I'm not at all; I'm just a woman and a realist.

I'd rather he said he'd "found Jesus" because he would not expect me to convert as well but allow me to continue to be an atheist - i.e. live and let live.

You are being pretty horrible to this friend. Based on nothing other than theyve said on FB please use "she" theyve asked nothing of you and youre trying to sack them because you believe its nonsense they now identify as trans.

Youre not even considering that this might be fine, they might expect it to be hard for people.

Youre saying if theyd found Jesus at least it wouldnt mean you had to convert whilst also expecting them to firmly convert to your opinion gender is aligned to sex. I dont know why you cant accept your friend feels differently and use the pronoun they asked for

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 23/05/2026 18:30

OP, you started this thread by saying that he was a friend. Later, you said

I didn't know him very deeply to begin with but now he feels like a total stranger that I don't comprehend at all.

I think you have answered your own question.

Do the project and prepare to shift your goalposts far more than he ever will. There will be no middle ground.

Or don't do the project and the only problem you'll have is you haven't done the project.

Doesn't seem like, from what you have said upthread, that there's much of a friendship to lose, so perhaps remove that from the equation?

Isittimeformynapyet · 23/05/2026 18:28

LizardyGuts · 23/05/2026 17:50

Sorry if I missed you saying, but it's not clear if the project is in work time and you're an employee, or you're a self employed contractor, or it's something like the parent council at school, or if it's a completely voluntary/social hobby thing.
I think it'll change my answer slightly depending on the exact context.

This would be easily resolved by clicking the see all on any of OP's posts.

Apologies if I'm not the first to say this.

NeuroticGingerCat · 23/05/2026 18:28

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MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 18:26

ScrollingLeaves · 23/05/2026 18:25

@MiffedatMP

He cannot be a ‘trans female’ can he? Female is a strictly biological term.

Why is he a researcher if he does not know something so fundamental?

Well, to be fair, he isn't a researcher in the area of biology but a completely unrelated hobby.

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FarewelltotheHorse · 23/05/2026 18:26

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/05/2026 18:25

hes a man

he's always been a man

he'll always be a man

why should ppl affirm his delusion? Would ppl go along with it if he claimed to be napoleon or Jesus?

If it wasn't doing me any harm and it was clearly important to them, honestly I probably would be like "Ok Napoleon, shall we get cracking on this project then?" Why not?

MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 18:26

JamVal1013 · 23/05/2026 18:20

@MiffedatMP you are the problem here. I hope your friend realises she can't work with you and move on.

All this nonsense about it being a fetish blah blah blah. More danger from the overly masculine, heterosexual men sitting on a train!

Next you'll turn against gay people, then religions different to you, then people of colour, then disabled people.

Jamval you are extremely prejudiced. It does not even cross your mind that I am a lesbian.

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ScrollingLeaves · 23/05/2026 18:25

@MiffedatMP

He cannot be a ‘trans female’ can he? Female is a strictly biological term.

Why is he a researcher if he does not know something so fundamental?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/05/2026 18:25

Slightyamusedandsilly · 23/05/2026 18:23

I do actually feel sorry for him because he seems to have lost his way in life, and ended up falling into this as a way to cope with the heavy stress he's been under lately.
Could you be any more patronising? If you talked to her, I'm sure she'd explain she has felt this way since childhood.

If this person is someone who likes me, and values me professionally, can he not respect my wishes?
It's not your life. It's hers. So have nothing to do with her if you disagree so much. Your loss though.

hes a man

he's always been a man

he'll always be a man

why should ppl affirm his delusion? Would ppl go along with it if he claimed to be napoleon or Jesus?