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Friend shocks me by suddenly saying he's female. How to handle this?

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MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 17:14

A month ago a male co-researcher and friend I have known for 10 years, "came out as trans" by posting a couple of pics of himself on FB wearing eyeliner and studs in his newly pierced ears, and by changing his pronouns to he/she and saying he is a "trans female".

Just four weeks previously we spent the whole afternoon together and he did not breathe a word about this. He is 45, tall, broad-shouldered, slim-hipped and has angular, very masculine facial features. He looked and acted exactly the same as I have always known him: completely male in looks, speech, mannerisms, dress, etc. Therefore his announcement has come as a complete shock and, to be honest, at first I thought he was playing a prank.

Later this year we are supposed to begin a joint project which entails working closely together for months and I just don't know how to handle the situation. I've been wondering how long I can avoid ever referring to him by any pronoun - easy when it's just the two of us but the moment I have to refer to him as "he" or "her" to another person I am going to have to make a choice. I'm already worrying about this eventuality because it is bound to happen. Also on the project itself... there may be some wording which refers to him by a pronoun and again, I have to make a choice. I don't see how I can get out of this awkward situation. If I refer to him as "she" then I am sort of announcing that I am going along with this nonsense, and if I call him "he" then obviously this is going to cause massive fall out between us. He might storm out and the project abandoned, possibly after many weeks of work.

Even if I can manage to avoid the pronoun thing, how can I stay silent or dodge the subject if he looks me right in the eye and tells me he's now female? He hasn't yet changed his name but if he does I just don't think I can bring myself to call him by a female name.

I thought the easiest thing would be to just cancel the project, but that would make it look like I cancelled "just because he's trans", making me look like the baddie, losing his friendship forever and risking him smearing my good name around our small town, among our many mutual acquaintances, with goodness knows what social/business/friendship repercussions. Ditto if I replace him with someone else - I'd have to give him a reason, which, again, will get me into some kind of trouble, name-called, cancelled, hated because there are quite a few punitive activists where I live.

I understand now why people go along with it - because the alternative is life-changing, possibly life-ruining.

I just really, really wish he hadn't done this because it's made things so awkward.

What would you do?

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LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 09:44

Wearenotborg · 24/05/2026 05:13

That’s what I thought with my ex. Nope. Total capitulation, including stating I now believed he was fully female and I was now a lesbian….

Obviously not true (hence why they're your ex, I assume). But irrelevant in the public sphere. The chromosomes of the people we interact with in public or at work aren't anything to do with us.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 24/05/2026 09:43

LittleMyLabyrinth · 23/05/2026 22:50

I don't see that. They're not asking you to give a sworn affidavit that you believe their chromosomes have magically changed from xy to xx. It's more analogous to covering my shoulders in church even though I'm not Catholic. It's just being respectful.

It's more analogous to covering my shoulders in church even though I'm not Catholic. It's just being respectful.

That's a choice you make when entering a Catholic church. It's more analogous to a Muslim co-worker insisting you cover your hair at work where you have no choice.

Justme56 · 24/05/2026 09:42

I think if you are willing to call a man she it is an all or nothing thing. You can’t pick and chose. You can’t complain when a male rapist is called she or criticise when someone says ‘her penis’. It is not any women’s fault that the worst men have been calling themselves women, but as they are allowed to it’s a problem which affects everyone.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/05/2026 09:40

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 09:24

Potentially, yes, I agree with you. That would depend on whether a, mine is actually the minority view. afaik there's been no referendum on this. And b, whether trans people have accommodation to make sure they have equal access to everything they need as well.

No, there hasn’t been a “referendum”. There has been polling and consistently the message is the same and the trend for supporting these men in women’s spaces is a downward one. The first poll was 2018 and there have been regular polls ever since. Is that good enough, or is the fact that many women don’t consent felt to be enough here?

Wearenotborg · 24/05/2026 09:38

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 09:35

Access to those spaces at all? For example, if a trans woman can't use the woman's toilet or the man's, what are they supposed to do? Therefore, they don't have equality, practically or legally. A solution would be to have gender-neutral spaces, imo would be fine but unfortunately the infrastructure isn't there yet.

Again, why were stonewall and all the trans charities and allies not sorting this? That should have been their goal from the start. Transpeople need to take it up with them. It’s not women’s fault that trans people were let down by their allies.

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 09:35

Wearenotborg · 24/05/2026 05:14

So what human rights would transpeople lose?

Access to those spaces at all? For example, if a trans woman can't use the woman's toilet or the man's, what are they supposed to do? Therefore, they don't have equality, practically or legally. A solution would be to have gender-neutral spaces, imo would be fine but unfortunately the infrastructure isn't there yet.

Mmmnotsure · 24/05/2026 09:35

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 09:19

Yes. Feminism is about equality, ie how women used to not be allowed to have bank accounts, or how sadly we are still not seen as equipped for careers or leadership. If trans men can use "men's spaces" then there is no inequality. The question then becomes if a single-sex space is an accommodation towards equality, like a ramp for wheelchair users. What, then, is the accommodation that women don't have without it?

You seem to be starting from the premise that there is symmetry. Transwomen in women's spaces is very different from transmen in men's spaces, as evidenced recently by the awful case of the transman being put on a male psychiatric ward and raped within an hour of her arrival. However, men and women may both want and need their own single-sex spaces.

The For Women Scotland Supreme Court case started with the Scottish government moving to address the underrepresentation of women on public boards - you yourself mention women in careers/leadership roles - but then saying that any man who said he was a woman could take one of those "women's" places.

I don't see how your feminism can include men taking rights and places away from women.

Holdinguphalfthesky · 24/05/2026 09:32

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 09:19

Yes. Feminism is about equality, ie how women used to not be allowed to have bank accounts, or how sadly we are still not seen as equipped for careers or leadership. If trans men can use "men's spaces" then there is no inequality. The question then becomes if a single-sex space is an accommodation towards equality, like a ramp for wheelchair users. What, then, is the accommodation that women don't have without it?

But women are the oppressed group within patriarchy. We don’t have equality, let alone equity (which is actually what is needed), so giving away the small gains towards equity that women have made to a subset of men (many of whom don’t need than and are happy to benefit from patriarchy when it suits them- look at Phillip Bunce and Eddie Izzard for just two examples) just sets us all back.

Would you use similar arguments to say that white people should be allowed to access spaces and programmes that have been created for people of colour? If not, why not?

Wearenotborg · 24/05/2026 09:30

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 09:19

Yes. Feminism is about equality, ie how women used to not be allowed to have bank accounts, or how sadly we are still not seen as equipped for careers or leadership. If trans men can use "men's spaces" then there is no inequality. The question then becomes if a single-sex space is an accommodation towards equality, like a ramp for wheelchair users. What, then, is the accommodation that women don't have without it?

Well, as his been explained many times, there are categories of women who need single sex spaces to fully participate in daily life. Why does the desire of a man to access female spaces trump their right to a single sex space?

Wearenotborg · 24/05/2026 09:29

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 09:24

Potentially, yes, I agree with you. That would depend on whether a, mine is actually the minority view. afaik there's been no referendum on this. And b, whether trans people have accommodation to make sure they have equal access to everything they need as well.

But isn’t fighting for trans peoples accommodations what Stonewall et al should have been doing all along? Rather than bullying women into giving up their rights, wants and needs? If “rights aren’t pie” then why does giving trans people the right to access spaces designated for the other sex remove the other seeds rights to a single sex space? Why should the desire of a TIF to access mens spaces trump the right of men to have a single sex space ? Would you be in favour of TIF being sent to male prisons, psych wards and changing rooms? Do you think they would be safe?

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 09:24

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/05/2026 08:01

As you say that you understand how other women feel about men in their spaces, and it “doesn’t bother you”, then as yours is the minority view, women’s spaces should be single sex, shouldn’t they?

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Potentially, yes, I agree with you. That would depend on whether a, mine is actually the minority view. afaik there's been no referendum on this. And b, whether trans people have accommodation to make sure they have equal access to everything they need as well.

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 09:19

spannasaurus · 24/05/2026 05:42

As a feminist it doesn't bother you that men are in womens single sex spaces as long as those men say they are women?

Yes. Feminism is about equality, ie how women used to not be allowed to have bank accounts, or how sadly we are still not seen as equipped for careers or leadership. If trans men can use "men's spaces" then there is no inequality. The question then becomes if a single-sex space is an accommodation towards equality, like a ramp for wheelchair users. What, then, is the accommodation that women don't have without it?

Mmmnotsure · 24/05/2026 09:19

LittleMyLabyrinth · 23/05/2026 22:50

I don't see that. They're not asking you to give a sworn affidavit that you believe their chromosomes have magically changed from xy to xx. It's more analogous to covering my shoulders in church even though I'm not Catholic. It's just being respectful.

Thing is, if you don't cover your shoulders that doesn't potentially lead to a situation where you get screamed at/receive death and rape threats/are physically attacked/lose your job.

Also, the argument that there are very few trans people isn't convincing. You only need one, in any situation, to change everything. One trans-identifying male in a female sports competition takes the prize from every other woman and girl, and tells all other women and girls coming up through the ranks that organising their life around this effort might not be worth it because years of striving will go to waste if one man decides he wants their prize. And if you don't personally care about sport, and can't understand why it's important for other people, one male in a women's prison impacts every single, most-vulnerable, woman there.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/05/2026 08:01

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 04:08

I guess from my perspective, I don't understand that. It wouldn't bother me at all if a trans woman were part of any of those scenarios, especially considering how small a demographic it is (although I do understand why you might feel differently). My view is that women's rights should be elevated to reach human rights (freedom from discrimination, from violence, etc.), not human rights brought down to meet women's rights. I fully get why this is emotive for a lot of people, because women deal with so much injustice and pain. But to me it seems like a strangely niche side quest from the most severe ways we continue to fail women as a society, ie the reasons we need single sex spaces to begin with, that single sex spaces have not fixed.

As you say that you understand how other women feel about men in their spaces, and it “doesn’t bother you”, then as yours is the minority view, women’s spaces should be single sex, shouldn’t they?

Laura95167 · 24/05/2026 07:37

NoGarlic · 24/05/2026 03:46

Considering the person has gone public with a statement that they are now someone completely different, it's hardly an unreasonable stance!

Or are you doubting their authenticity??

Im doubting that coming out as trans changes who you are.

This friend said they would like people to use she/her pronouns. They may still have the same interests and hobbies, values and morals.

They arent in my mind any more "someone completely different" than if a previously heterosexual friend said i actually want people to know Im in a same sex relationship now. Being trans is part of this person's identity it doesnt make them a different person.

And even if elements of them change, elements of people constantly evolve age, beliefs, circumstances influence your beliefs, interests and priorities and can change them. So small changes happen all the time

HappilyHarriet · 24/05/2026 07:32

Mapletree1985 · 24/05/2026 05:19

The gender critical position is worth of respect in a democratic society. Tell him you are gender critical and that while you will do your best to accommodate his preferences out of professional respect, human beings can't change sex. Then let him decide whether he wants to remain working on the project under those conditions.

Honesty is always the best policy.

That’s exactly what I was going to suggest. I think he’ll try and debate and persuade with his newly found zeal, and you just say you’re not interested in discussion, those are your legally held beliefs. That way you’re putting the onus on him to decide whether to end or continue. If you continue, you’ve made your stance clear, so hopefully less awkwardness. If he terminates then it’s his choice to be non inclusive of those with GC beliefs.

UniAction · 24/05/2026 06:58

About your project, your colleague is highly likely to 'move on' from his traditional field of expertise and be concentrating fully on his new trans life.
He might volunteer this or you could nudge and use the 'bekind ' approach, in a let him have the space to explore his new attitude to life without being dragged back to the old hobby.
Frame it as Hairy Dave's decision when you look for a new collaborator.
But keep notes about conversations because when the ne' becoming a woman' project doesn't unlock all hopes and dreams and riches, he might turn back bitterly.

spannasaurus · 24/05/2026 05:42

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 04:08

I guess from my perspective, I don't understand that. It wouldn't bother me at all if a trans woman were part of any of those scenarios, especially considering how small a demographic it is (although I do understand why you might feel differently). My view is that women's rights should be elevated to reach human rights (freedom from discrimination, from violence, etc.), not human rights brought down to meet women's rights. I fully get why this is emotive for a lot of people, because women deal with so much injustice and pain. But to me it seems like a strangely niche side quest from the most severe ways we continue to fail women as a society, ie the reasons we need single sex spaces to begin with, that single sex spaces have not fixed.

As a feminist it doesn't bother you that men are in womens single sex spaces as long as those men say they are women?

Mapletree1985 · 24/05/2026 05:19

The gender critical position is worth of respect in a democratic society. Tell him you are gender critical and that while you will do your best to accommodate his preferences out of professional respect, human beings can't change sex. Then let him decide whether he wants to remain working on the project under those conditions.

Honesty is always the best policy.

Wearenotborg · 24/05/2026 05:14

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 04:08

I guess from my perspective, I don't understand that. It wouldn't bother me at all if a trans woman were part of any of those scenarios, especially considering how small a demographic it is (although I do understand why you might feel differently). My view is that women's rights should be elevated to reach human rights (freedom from discrimination, from violence, etc.), not human rights brought down to meet women's rights. I fully get why this is emotive for a lot of people, because women deal with so much injustice and pain. But to me it seems like a strangely niche side quest from the most severe ways we continue to fail women as a society, ie the reasons we need single sex spaces to begin with, that single sex spaces have not fixed.

So what human rights would transpeople lose?

Wearenotborg · 24/05/2026 05:13

LittleMyLabyrinth · 23/05/2026 22:50

I don't see that. They're not asking you to give a sworn affidavit that you believe their chromosomes have magically changed from xy to xx. It's more analogous to covering my shoulders in church even though I'm not Catholic. It's just being respectful.

That’s what I thought with my ex. Nope. Total capitulation, including stating I now believed he was fully female and I was now a lesbian….

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 04:08

WallaceinAnderland · 24/05/2026 03:46

The right to convene in women only groups without male presence
The right for single sex female only changing rooms without male presence
The right for single sex female only prisons separate to male inmates
The right for male crimes not to be recorded as female crimes.
The right for single sex female only refuge centres separate to males
The right for single sex female only hospital wards
The right for single sex female only sport
The right for single sex female only categories in awards and sponsorship

Literally anything that is labelled for women only, we have the right for it to be for women only, not also open to men who self identify as female.

I guess from my perspective, I don't understand that. It wouldn't bother me at all if a trans woman were part of any of those scenarios, especially considering how small a demographic it is (although I do understand why you might feel differently). My view is that women's rights should be elevated to reach human rights (freedom from discrimination, from violence, etc.), not human rights brought down to meet women's rights. I fully get why this is emotive for a lot of people, because women deal with so much injustice and pain. But to me it seems like a strangely niche side quest from the most severe ways we continue to fail women as a society, ie the reasons we need single sex spaces to begin with, that single sex spaces have not fixed.

NoGarlic · 24/05/2026 03:46

Laura95167 · 23/05/2026 18:53

I feel like this friend has made a decision for them and youve decided that this means theyre not your friend theyre someone completely different and somehow "other"

She hasnt said anything to you, accused you of anything, behaved in anyway differently and youve decided will judge you, name call you, "smear you", "target you" and she doesnt know her own mind shes just "stressed". Youve almost victimised yourself to a non-existant mob.

You havent even tried talking to this friend. If you cant just be pleasant, could you try (toned down) honesty. That you dont have other transition friends, and tbh you have no experience of this and feel a bit uncomfy take it from there.

Considering the person has gone public with a statement that they are now someone completely different, it's hardly an unreasonable stance!

Or are you doubting their authenticity??

WallaceinAnderland · 24/05/2026 03:46

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 02:57

I see. What rights are you thinking of? I can't think of any that are that specific, but as you say I haven’t given it much thought.

The right to convene in women only groups without male presence
The right for single sex female only changing rooms without male presence
The right for single sex female only prisons separate to male inmates
The right for male crimes not to be recorded as female crimes.
The right for single sex female only refuge centres separate to males
The right for single sex female only hospital wards
The right for single sex female only sport
The right for single sex female only categories in awards and sponsorship

Literally anything that is labelled for women only, we have the right for it to be for women only, not also open to men who self identify as female.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 24/05/2026 03:38

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 02:09

Respectfully, I am a feminist and I fully know and understand, from my own experience sadly, why women mistrust men. But the fact that I can't have an opposing view to yours without such a vitriolic response (as vitriolic as OP is expecting for her gc views) is pretty telling. I agree that male privilege is real and oppressive and no trans woman can know what it's like to grow up with that. I don't agree that any man would willingly give up that privilege unless they felt they had no choice. They certainly wouldn't upend their lives and invite loads of hate just to, idk, be spiteful to women? I'm never been in any online spaces on this topic, either for or against, except this thread now (thank goodness!), and I don't have any trans family of friends, so I really have no skin in the game. I just hate seeing people be dehumanised, ever.

Couldn't agree more.

The desire to totally control the narrative and to be abuse when trying to do.

I also think the issue just isn't that deep (not the whole trans / GC argument, I get that THAT is deep).

The crux of the matter is that the friend has expressed a viewpoint the OP hugely opposes and that it means they can no longer work together.

So don't work with them. It'd be a bigger issue if they were employees of a company and were forced to coexist. But they're not. Walk away.