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Friend shocks me by suddenly saying he's female. How to handle this?

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MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 17:14

A month ago a male co-researcher and friend I have known for 10 years, "came out as trans" by posting a couple of pics of himself on FB wearing eyeliner and studs in his newly pierced ears, and by changing his pronouns to he/she and saying he is a "trans female".

Just four weeks previously we spent the whole afternoon together and he did not breathe a word about this. He is 45, tall, broad-shouldered, slim-hipped and has angular, very masculine facial features. He looked and acted exactly the same as I have always known him: completely male in looks, speech, mannerisms, dress, etc. Therefore his announcement has come as a complete shock and, to be honest, at first I thought he was playing a prank.

Later this year we are supposed to begin a joint project which entails working closely together for months and I just don't know how to handle the situation. I've been wondering how long I can avoid ever referring to him by any pronoun - easy when it's just the two of us but the moment I have to refer to him as "he" or "her" to another person I am going to have to make a choice. I'm already worrying about this eventuality because it is bound to happen. Also on the project itself... there may be some wording which refers to him by a pronoun and again, I have to make a choice. I don't see how I can get out of this awkward situation. If I refer to him as "she" then I am sort of announcing that I am going along with this nonsense, and if I call him "he" then obviously this is going to cause massive fall out between us. He might storm out and the project abandoned, possibly after many weeks of work.

Even if I can manage to avoid the pronoun thing, how can I stay silent or dodge the subject if he looks me right in the eye and tells me he's now female? He hasn't yet changed his name but if he does I just don't think I can bring myself to call him by a female name.

I thought the easiest thing would be to just cancel the project, but that would make it look like I cancelled "just because he's trans", making me look like the baddie, losing his friendship forever and risking him smearing my good name around our small town, among our many mutual acquaintances, with goodness knows what social/business/friendship repercussions. Ditto if I replace him with someone else - I'd have to give him a reason, which, again, will get me into some kind of trouble, name-called, cancelled, hated because there are quite a few punitive activists where I live.

I understand now why people go along with it - because the alternative is life-changing, possibly life-ruining.

I just really, really wish he hadn't done this because it's made things so awkward.

What would you do?

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RobinEllacotStrike · 10/06/2026 22:42

what a horrible situation.

you’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t. It’s discrimination to reject him because of his protected transgender reassignment status. But I totally understand why it’s gonna be difficult working with him. I’d like to think in your situation I just say to him, I’m a sex realist I’m not gonna call you She and if you can work together on that basis, we’re all good but if not, we’re gonna have to rethink The Project because I’m not gonna play along with something I don’t believe in. For very good reasons.

you could also mention that you’re very uncomfortable with the idea of compelled speech and happened in particular having your speech compelled in a way that goes against your beliefs.

If it all blows up it blows up but it sounds like it’s gonna blow up either way. I’m really sorry you’re going through this and I hope you find a solution sooner than later so you can stop stressing about it.

QuintadosMalvados · 01/06/2026 10:29

Melom · 01/06/2026 08:55

It's offline, @cherryicecreamisnice and face to face.

Most people in real life can rub along ok when given the tools to do so. I spent many years running a very large diverse community and we managed it. That doesn't mean nobody ever fell out or challenged each other - that's not a reasonable expectation - but it is reasonable to expect to be able to handle disagreement with respect and moderation and find a way forward. Most people in real life really can do this.

I have worked a lot with people from communities that were at war with each other, ongoing conflicts where their own families have been killed. It really is possible to find ways to coexist with people with whom you have profound conflict. It can be done, but I don't think it can be done online.

I don't doubt this.
The problem is, though, that trans women expect actual women to affirm them.
Often about things actual women may not have any interest in: such as make-up and so on.

I don't see it as just living and let live. It's not that simple, unfortunately.

Of course, if I meet a trans woman I will be courteous (as long as they're not in female only spaces) because surface level communication is not an issue.

If the server in say the local shop is a trans woman, I will exchange the usual pleasantries as I would anybody but I don't want to be friends with them and it would be awkward to have them as a colleague.

They expect other women to validate them.
It's really difficult to do that and why the heck should we?

Melom · 01/06/2026 08:55

It's offline, @cherryicecreamisnice and face to face.

Most people in real life can rub along ok when given the tools to do so. I spent many years running a very large diverse community and we managed it. That doesn't mean nobody ever fell out or challenged each other - that's not a reasonable expectation - but it is reasonable to expect to be able to handle disagreement with respect and moderation and find a way forward. Most people in real life really can do this.

I have worked a lot with people from communities that were at war with each other, ongoing conflicts where their own families have been killed. It really is possible to find ways to coexist with people with whom you have profound conflict. It can be done, but I don't think it can be done online.

cherryicecreamisnice · 01/06/2026 08:02

Melom · 23/05/2026 18:24

I would say don't assume you know what he thinks or feels. Don't project onto him the worst madnesses of internet TRAs, just like you probably don't recognise the monstrous depictions of TERFs by others - he's probably nothing like that. Without talking to him, you really can't know what he thinks about these things. (And you don't really need to know either tbh.) It's a belief system, I know, but you don't know what parts of it he cleaves to.

You can work with someone who has different beliefs, presumably, without sharing or pretending to share them. It's the same. I work with plenty of trans people and it's completely fine; I have some really fantastic trans colleagues! I don't share their beliefs about gender, but gender is just one more god I don't believe in. Human to human, these things are negotiable in a diverse society.

He's a person, you're a person. Be humans with each other and don't treat each other like avatars of culture war positions and it will likely be fine.

Where is this world where you don’t get challenged and gaslit by performative antagonists? Are there flights available?

SqueakyDoor · 01/06/2026 06:33

MiffedatMP · 23/05/2026 18:15

I don't want to explain in detail because it's too outing, but this man genuinely IS the only person who has the knowledge needed for this project. He's built the knowledge up over nearly 40 years. Think geeky hobby and you won't be far wrong. I am a geek in the same area but with about 1% of the knowledge he has.

Interesting that he's renowned for having "nearly over 40 years" knowledge and experience in his certain field. Because, guess what he doesn't have any knowledge or experience of... yep, being a woman.

Cailleach1 · 30/05/2026 20:04

MiffedatMP · 29/05/2026 17:07

Yes, he has. He's already accused me of "hating trans people" though he later backed down and apologised.

I don't "hate trans people" any more than I "hate" god, fairies, ghosts, stage mediums, fork-benders, pixies or leprechauns; I just don't believe in any of them.

How very dishonest of him. It is very much designed to try to paint you as being the unreasonable person because you won’t pretend to go along with a load of pseudoscience bunkum. Quite nasty, and I would sup with a long spoon.

ICECOLDLATTENOW · 30/05/2026 11:02

Is he on antidepressants? My gay friend went on heavy antidepressants after going through some serious life alerting sh*t and suddenly found himself attracted to both men and women. Got off the meds and gone back to being gay.

GallantKumquat · 29/05/2026 20:04

OP I hope this thread was helpful. I found it considerable food for thought. The more I consider the situation the more difficult it is: to navigate professional development, multiple line of personal integrity (commitment to plurality, fairness, forthrightness and GC beliefs) as well as one's on limitations and interpersonal capacity. All very difficult. Best of luck and kind regards.

Catiette · 29/05/2026 20:01

MiffedatMP · 29/05/2026 17:04

Because there will come a time when I have to refer to him as "he" or "she" to a third party. And that is when the whole thing could collapse, with him throwing a screaming, testerical mantrum because I will not comply. And by then I may have put a huge amount of money and (worse!) time into the project.

For what it's worth, I've walked this tightrope a number of times, worried a great deal before... and found it easier than expected once you've practised a little, established a precedent and developed a habit. It depends on the context, of course, but I'd suggest...

If your colleague isn't present, using the name should suffice, even if it feels repetitive - they're not there to mind.

If they are present, then you can use the name a fair amount before it starts to sound really unnatural, which you can avoid by alternating using it with a chatty "you", said with a smile at the colleague in question even as you also address the other people present - doing this can come across as, well, actually quite inclusive 😃 and warm, done carefully.

Throckmorton · 29/05/2026 18:21

MiffedatMP · 29/05/2026 17:07

Yes, he has. He's already accused me of "hating trans people" though he later backed down and apologised.

I don't "hate trans people" any more than I "hate" god, fairies, ghosts, stage mediums, fork-benders, pixies or leprechauns; I just don't believe in any of them.

So he's already (post his transition i presume?) said you hate trans people? If so I would run a mile from working with him as he's already being unreasonable

IwantToRetire · 29/05/2026 18:02

testerical mantrum

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Slightyamusedandsilly · 29/05/2026 17:55

MiffedatMP · 29/05/2026 17:04

Because there will come a time when I have to refer to him as "he" or "she" to a third party. And that is when the whole thing could collapse, with him throwing a screaming, testerical mantrum because I will not comply. And by then I may have put a huge amount of money and (worse!) time into the project.

Oh the irony of accusing your friend of tantruming. 🙄

MiffedatMP · 29/05/2026 17:07

Laura95167 · 23/05/2026 18:53

I feel like this friend has made a decision for them and youve decided that this means theyre not your friend theyre someone completely different and somehow "other"

She hasnt said anything to you, accused you of anything, behaved in anyway differently and youve decided will judge you, name call you, "smear you", "target you" and she doesnt know her own mind shes just "stressed". Youve almost victimised yourself to a non-existant mob.

You havent even tried talking to this friend. If you cant just be pleasant, could you try (toned down) honesty. That you dont have other transition friends, and tbh you have no experience of this and feel a bit uncomfy take it from there.

Yes, he has. He's already accused me of "hating trans people" though he later backed down and apologised.

I don't "hate trans people" any more than I "hate" god, fairies, ghosts, stage mediums, fork-benders, pixies or leprechauns; I just don't believe in any of them.

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MiffedatMP · 29/05/2026 17:04

overunderover · 24/05/2026 16:37

I don't see why it's such a problem. Just get on with the work, it's not about his gender.

If you don't like switching pronouns just call him by his name all the time and don't use any. And if that seems stilted and artificial, well it's not your fault is it.

Because there will come a time when I have to refer to him as "he" or "she" to a third party. And that is when the whole thing could collapse, with him throwing a screaming, testerical mantrum because I will not comply. And by then I may have put a huge amount of money and (worse!) time into the project.

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IwantToRetire · 25/05/2026 20:03

I think in all fairness to OP who started this thread for support, anyone who thinks the person who now admits they (using this as not sure about their status other than asuming their posts illustrates they were male but in fact owned up to be an American!) isn't engaging.

Anyone who thinks this random intervention from the US really needs to be anwered could maybe start a thread about all the "I think this way why dont you feminism. Hmm

That way the posts that are actually answering the OP and not the interventionist derail, would be more easily available to OP, who by now has probably left in despair!

Sorry OP as I did respond and should know better.

ie dont feed the trolls, even if they dont know they are trolls Grin

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/05/2026 16:28

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 16:23

It's not. It's society's job to protect everyone

Yes, which is, in part, what the equality act does with its single sex exemptions, and other categories which denote particular or certain vulnerabilities.

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/05/2026 16:25

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 16:16

How do we tell with our eyes and ears? Many trans women pass very well. Many women are quite butch. What happens if you suspect someone? What do you do? What happens if you are wrong?
Why do we need to personally benefit to do the right thing by someone?

We've managed for several millennia to identify the differences between the sexes. It is hard wired in; especially for females who also seem to have an extra finely tuned radar for the subliminal signals as well. Our survival depends on it...just as with every other creature.

Most men don't pass at all....which is why I recognise such men on a frequent basis in and around my city. Also, I've never seen a 'butch' woman who I've mistaken for a man - though in recent times I've also seen quite a few young women sporting a bum fluff moustache, a consciously masculine wardrobe choice, and a sleeve, or two, of tatoos.

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/05/2026 16:20

LittleMyLabyrinth · 25/05/2026 00:04

My argument is that everyone is safe, but if you posit otherwise , then obviously they are safer in the women's. Because there are no men there.

Vulnerable men should be in a special wing of the male estate.

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/05/2026 16:18

A difficult situation, but in all honesty if i were in that situation then I'd have to adress it with him the moment it came up as an issue, or as a demand. You can be polite and respectful, but still firm. I'd also, of course, have to address it with other colleagues...which I'd do individually and privately, so that everyone in the team knew my stance.

Personally, I know that if i went along with this business I'd soon have generated a whole lot of anger and resentment - which would inevitably come out in a more confrontational way than if I had dealt with it early on.

Catiette · 25/05/2026 14:49

IwantToRetire · 25/05/2026 01:20

Probably best not to hijack a support thread about a IRL dilemma.

Exactly - sadly I do feel these interventions whether done (supposely) innocently or with intent is making far to many threads basically repititions of the basics as it were.

ie the volume of these inteventions drags every thread back to a basic understanding and blocks the option to move forward.

Although no doubt some trans allies think this is a good ploy.

But also means what should be a support thread can get derailed, just be someone saying over and over again but I think like this way and so ignores what is said, or assumes it is just about I feel like this.

Maybe we should be a bit more sensitive or aware and at an early stage when something like this happens say this is a support thread, if you have an aspect of trans politics you want to discuss start your own thread.

In a way that was almost the worst part. Being totally oblivious to OP's situation.

Fair points in this context. And I did say I'd bow out anyway.

FWIW, OP, my advice would be to forge ahead without the slightest reference to the transition, using names and avoiding pronouns... This respects both perspectives. Or, if you feel able, to very delicately sound this out with the person concerned, if you feel doing so won't itself land you in hot water with accusations of bigotry. I think your relationship and exciting project (and potentially the individual themselves) may deserve that investment.

However, if you do legitimately fear that even these approaches could make you vulnerable to distressing or damaging accusations of bigotry, or a volatile dynamic, then I'd understand you stepping back a bit (and, again, would see this as further regrettable evidence of how the militancy of this ideology can harm the individuals it professes to advocate for as well 😔).

I hope you can find a way forward.

Catiette · 25/05/2026 14:36

LittleMyLabyrinth · 25/05/2026 00:38

I'm remembering some high profile statistics from the US (I'm American) from a few years ago. But it's common sense, knowing how homophobic hate crime works, that the more visible you are in that way, the more at risk you are.

But it's common sense, knowing how homophobic hate crime works, that the more visible you are in that way, the more at risk you are.

But it's not common sense that opening women's spaces to males on their say-so increases their risk? 🤔

Catiette · 25/05/2026 14:34

LittleMyLabyrinth · 25/05/2026 00:34

They wouldn't be any safer from the theoretical attack from random men (which I don't actually think is that common but other people seem to think predatory men are fixated on bathrooms as their preferred place of attack). They would be safer from misogynistic, homophobic men who might kick off if they saw "a bloke in a dress" in their loo.

other people seem to think predatory men are fixated on bathrooms as their preferred place of attack Other people acknowledge the extensive evidence that mixed-sex spaces significantly increase women's vulnerability to attack.

Please take valid concerns by women about the horrors of physical attack more seriously: address the argument being made, as opposed to teetering wicker men it's far easier to put a match to.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/12/11/mixed-sex-changing-rooms-are-putting-women-at-needless-risk/

https://www.hsj.co.uk/patient-safety/revealed-hundreds-of-sexual-assaults-each-year-on-mixed-gender-wards/7026629.article

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/95686/html/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/09/sexual-predators-target-girls-mixed-changing-rooms-wrn-uk/

https://fairplayforwomen.com/unisex-changing-rooms-put-women-in-danger/

*Links posted indiscriminately from the top of a google search, 1) bc of time constraints & 2) to make the point that this is very well-documented, easily evidenced & a cause for widespread concern.

NB. I don't think anyone's even mentioned hidden cameras yet (that's a whole other terrifying mountain of evidence; it's not all about physical violence).

Mixed-sex changing rooms are putting women at needless risk

Trans-inclusive and gender-neutral policies have been a major boon for predators – and the data prove it.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/12/11/mixed-sex-changing-rooms-are-putting-women-at-needless-risk/

EvelynBeatrice · 25/05/2026 13:31

LittleMyLabyrinth · 24/05/2026 16:17

Yes. Unless you have some way of seeing their chromosomes.

This. It’s a mystery to me that has often kept me up at night how so many people ever manage to have a baby. How lucky I was that the person I married turned out to produce sperm and that I managed to produce an egg. Its all such a mystery when we don't routinely DNA test.

oldtiredcyclist · 25/05/2026 12:02

LittleMyLabyrinth · 25/05/2026 00:04

My argument is that everyone is safe, but if you posit otherwise , then obviously they are safer in the women's. Because there are no men there.

Wow, the rather large elephant in the room.
As soon as you put a transwoman in a women's prison, you are putting a - MAN - in there.
This is, for most people, a very easy fact to understand.

Mmmnotsure · 25/05/2026 11:08

Bertiebiscuit · 25/05/2026 10:37

Clothes

And eyeliner, obvs.

@MiffedatMP

I've just gone back to your OP and seen that he is describing himself as 'trans female', not a trans woman.

First they came for woman, then female. This might just be the nom de jour among newly-identified males, or it might be 0-100 claiming ground.

I am loath to envisage a situation where you have to give up on what might have been an interesting and possibly lucrative project, but would advise caution. And from my own experience and observation, and the fact that you also mention punitive activists locally, the concept of having a calm, honest conversation based on mutual respect and understanding of each other's deeply held conviction in this area with no fallout, seems unlikely.

Note the number of posts deleted on this thread, some of which are surprising because my memory is that the tenor of this thread has been generally reasonable.

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