EHRC Code of Practice on Services, Public Functions and Associations has been laid - here is the Code itself

No wonder Bridget dumped it and ran!

I was sure it wasn't! Didn't look right to me.

SM on the case! So trans-friendly bits have been added in by Bridget/her chums at the OEO? What a bunch of shysters they are! 😡

Those men who think they pass don't. Even Willoughby thinks he passes but it's obvious from his photos and videos that he's male.

I’m lucky. I could simply go ‘stealth’ again. Change my hair colour. Even my name. Move to a fresh town. Slip seamless into life as a woman who IS protected.

As if changing your hair colour changes your sex. They are kidding themselves but sometimes I think they really do believe it which is why they get so furious when we can totally tell their sex just by looking at them. Maybe all men do is look at hair and tits, so they don't see what we see... but that's just being generous.

I think the need for unisex toilets as well as single sex blocks can be harnessed to better disable facilities in new builds/redevelopments. Architects love symmetry so one unisex and one disabled is balanced. But also it was mentioned on R4 the 8 million disabled people whose access needs aren‘t being met are not bleating like the tiny number of TRAs (too busy fighting for basic things.
I will be using this fact to counteract all the complaints as I have often done in this debate. The shitshow of help and provision for disabled people shows up how those who shout loudest are far from the most in need

Why this new trans guidance is bad news for disabled people like me

I am braced for the inevitable. Wheelchair users like me are caught in what I call a no-them’s-land – and experience tells me that, more often than not, disabled people, with our spacious accessible loos, will simply be made to share.

Hey, presto! A ready-made solution at zero cost! Disabled toilets are already there, trans people can just use them! You don’t mind, do you?

Well, I do, actually. Is it right that hard-won provisions for disabled people can be so blithely co-opted into a nebulous “third space” for those who can’t/won’t use either the Gents or the Ladies? To put it more forcefully, why should my conveniences be inconvenienced?

There aren’t enough disabled loos as it is. I often find that they’re of poor quality, poorly maintained, and sometimes made completely unusable by people who aren’t disabled waltzing in and making a disgusting mess involving discarded toilet paper and… worse.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/disabled-toilets-single-sex-bridget-philipson-trans-b2981866.html
and https://archive.is/f011P

Well, according to some posters on MN, yes this happens!

That is when their credibility is completely shot to pieces, never to be recovered.

Haven't RTFT, but is there any evidence that Bridget has incorporated something of her own into the document?

Also, any org (especially a branch of government, like a council!) that deliberately chooses to collect data on gender instead of sex, for me, they reveal themselves as bad actors. Nothing good can come of this. The statistical base on which all governments rely has already been damaged enough.

I suppose what I'm really wondering is where the liability sits. I thought I saw somewhere that the liability falls to the employer/service provider, but I can't remember where I saw that. We have so many legal minds here...

It would be difficult in the extreme to try to get a bunch of anonymous interlopers from a train station into court, especially if you can't prove something like voyeurism and you don't have the service provider's backing (why would they get involved if they are not liable? bad publicity, possibly, but unlikely given the backlash they would experience from TRAs)

So, if anyone legal can point me in the right direction?

Both and see what sticks?

Do you know, how do these young people cope when they meet real-life examples? Do you suppose they tell themselves that they should see a woman and it's their own failure if they don't? Or something different?

If When this happens again, is it the group of stupid 22 year old Omnicausers that we take legal action against, or the service provider?

(Not an academic question, I really expect to have to do this at some point!)

It definitely needs to be the case that men with their dick out in the ladies need to start getting prosecuted no matter whether or not they're wearing a dress. It's a sex crime and it's about time it was treated as such. Many of these men have put evidence of such crimes on X and other social media platforms.

I suspect a few high profile successful prosecutions might speed up the return to a normal social consensus on this.

@SingleSexSpacesInSchools Thanks for the SexMatters link; I've been waiting for it! Outstanding review of the new guidance and should go a long way to allay fears about loop-holes or back-tracking.

Yes, the audit showed up the NHS for what it really is, didn't it?

I think it was WRN who did a report about sexual abuse when someone needs close personal care. It's mostly men doing it and it's mostly women affected and the numbers we know about are horrific. It was mentioned on the thread about Noelia Castillo. There have been all sorts of horrific cases including women who have been made pregnant via carer rape.

As far as single sex spaces in the NHS goes there's a lot of mixed sex spaces (in fact all of them I think, really, according to Knotty + team's audit) labelled single sex because of deliberate misuse and obfuscation using the words 'sex' and 'gender' as best suits what they want. So it's really disappointing that this seems to have happened a bit in the EHRC guidance too.

This is also another area where use of sex vs gender and wrong-sex pronouns is at odds with safety of patients. 'Oh yes, you have a new carer, 'she'll' be there to meet you at 10 tomorrow'. The expectation would be that a physical woman would turn up but in NHS speak it could just as easily be a man.

I just came through a large London train station which offers public loos.
Outside it was a group of 5 or 6 late teens early 20s plainly trans-identified men, all long hair and short skirts, and the obligatory small woman with half blue hair. All guffawing and high fiving.
I hadn't been there 5 mins earlier so cant swear to it, but I'd be tolerably confident they had all just used opposite sex loos. No attendant to challenge them, mind you, just the turnstiles, but they were exuding "we stuck it to The Man" vibes 😀
And I just thought, fuck, this is just not going to end.
V depressing.