EHRC Code of Practice on Services, Public Functions and Associations has been laid - here is the Code itself

In itself though the rewriting must be equal in all areas

In a way I’m glad the focus hasn’t just been on trans issues. It just feeds into the me me me ideology

The document I think shows common sense and respect stands front and centre

They were also the ones protesting that no man would ever pretend to be trans in order to harass women and now they are advocating for it.

So our choices seem to be, men pretending to be TIF, or men pretending to be TIM. I’ll take the TIF ta. Never once met a TIF who was a “Totally convincing man”. And I have met many. even Buck Angel does not 100% pass in video. It’s the walk, the stance, the hand gestures, the brow ridge, the ear size and placement, the non prominent Adam’s apple, the hip profile.
Why do you think so many TIF grow beards and wear caps?

And you know who caused this…. The TRA.

TRAs are calling on transmen who they think pass to start using the female facilities. Apart from not understand that the code already covers this, they have also missed that actually the transmen themselves do not want to harass women.

It's blindingly obvious that the trans identifying males just want to scare and punish women, where as the trans identifying females don't.

And if men want to pretend to be trans to access female only spaces, then that just proves our point why we need the legal right to object to males in female spaces.

It's not true though is it, it's just trying to whip up hysteria.

I would say most posters on mn are mothers. We have all been out and about doing our daily tasks with children in tow.

We have had to plan our shopping and socialising around suitable places to breastfeed, shop changing rooms large enough to permit a pram, toilets big enough to accommodate a buggy, a young child and a parent to assist them with their toileting, or even in some cases a double buggy, swimming pools with lockable family changing rooms, etc.

You just plan accordingly. As do people with disabilities who need to know what access is like and what facilities are available.

No one is drawing cartoons in the Guardian about these people who have had to plan their daily life for years.

They all just need to grow up and think of others.

A passing transman can be barred from female toilets ( as long as there is an alternative for her to use) so not an issue.

The claim that men could claim to be transmen to use female toilets came up quote a lot after the SC judgment

I imagine the pose is deliberate because it’s the sort of hiding in plain sight the TRA lobby favours.

If you had bothered to read my (quite short) post, you would have read this:

I would even say akin to "glorifying" depression and all the issues that arise from that and too much social media.

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dangerous for teenagers especially, those who already have enough trouble getting out of bed in the morning and out of the house.

I've pretty much just reposted the entire thing again. Perhaps you'll read it this time? You can come back with more questions, but I really do think that if you engage your brain for the two minutes it will take you to read my comments, you should be able to understand what I have said.

Unless you don't want to.

Yes I absolutely see what you’re saying. And I haven’t expressed myself well.

I have heard and read discussion from and with transmen thst they are no longer allowed to use the male toilets, as they probably have been without problem, and being told to use the female ones because they are female. And because transmen tend to pass so well, if they now DO use the female toilets, as they are entitled or supposed to do, some of them are bound to cause alarm. Whereas it is rare for a transwoman to pass, quite the opposite usually.

So, if we now have very convincing female transmen in single sex female facilities, how are we supposed to know which are female transmen and which could be just male men? They could just claim to be transmen and then where does that leave women? I can’t get my head around it.

An interesting time to apply for this job - anyone fancy putting their CV in??

https://greenparty.org.uk/get-involved/work-for-us/equity-equality-diversity-inclusion-eedi-officer/

What exactly is wrong with it? There are now a large group of people who feel less comfortable or unable to go out?

Apparently The Guardian is transphobic.

The Guardian is one of the worst for the TWAW mantra!

That if they now have to use female toilets, this means any man can claim to be a transman. Because many transmen pass incredibly well.

I can't work out what you are saying here. Adult men look like men, including men identifying as trans. If a woman identifying as trans had taken testosterone it's possible that she would look masculine and in which case would be able to pass in the men's toilets.

I would imagine the pose is deliberate, so the viewer cannot be sure if this is a male or a female. Covers the cartoonist's back, so to speak (pardon the pun).

The manipulative optics of this could be very dangerous for teenagers especially, those who already have enough trouble getting out of bed in the morning and out of the house. I would even say akin to "glorifying" depression and all the issues that arise from that and too much social media.

Shame on the Guardian.

I remember when Bath used to be famous for 'Bog Island'! Long since gone, of course.

Since the code was issued, I am noticing more and more discussion about transmen. That if they now have to use female toilets, this means any man can claim to be a transman. Because many transmen pass incredibly well. I heard one such transman discuss this yesterday. Whenever I’ve known a person is a transman, without seeing hands and feet, or hearing voice, I have found myself convinced, especially at first or quick sight, which is comparable to a toilet. Not sure how to process this to be honest.

There’s some incredibly sad stories about disabled people who can’t get out of the house due to a lack of toilets. Toilet provision can be dire. Here’s one about elderly people in Bath:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg92nl5w25o

Re the optics - it is an odd take, especially the pose shown (which is raising all kinds of speculation on X) and the why-on-earth staining of the flag.

Some Ts are not happy with it over on Bluesky. Apparently The Guardian is transphobic.

Not under this guidance or the Equality Act which places duties on service providers, employers, public bodies etc, not on individuals. So you can bring a complaint against the service body that they are failing in their responsibilities under the EA (it would have to be under the indirect discrimination provision I think) or make a complaint of harassment to the police.

That Guardian cartoon is offensive.

If they had used an illustration of a person with obvious disabllities it would sadly have been oh so true. How many people with disabilities can't live a full life because they find it's even difficult to get out of the house?