"Like a snowball: the growth and impact of the gender critical movement in the UK" - if you wanted a very good reason to never give Amnesty a penny, this is it. But a lot of people will read and believe.

That's impressive Eresh...alas mine were handwritten in English as I don't know how to type let along speak/write Spanish! 😄

Amnesty can do one, they only care about men's rights, plainly they don't consider actual women to be human, so no human rights for us! No sane woman should ever give them another penny.

Amnesty have been totally captured for a while. I considered doing one of their online learning courses about women's rights recently but decided against it when I saw the blurb described transwomen as the most oppressed group of women. Yeah, that's right Amnesty, men are the most oppressed type of woman 😂

We do have a weird situation where the right-wing media report negatively on gender ideology to the verge of actual transphobia in some cases (I say that as a fully GC feminist. I think some articles in the Daily Mail for example don't even bother to hide their repulsion towards individual trans people, some of whom have not done anything wrong and may be vulnerable and misguided rather than nefarious)

Then on the other side, the Guardian and many of our most influential institutions (the BBC, the NHS, universities, government departments) are wholly captured. Amnesty can't have been trawling these institutions' publications.

It's like the two 'sides' are living in separate universes

Maybe the voices identify as silent?

I = Intersex. Inaccurate terms for people with Differences of Sex Development (DSDs). Crowbarred in against the wishes of many people with DSDs in order to bolster the trans argument that sex is a spectrum

LGBTI+ ??!

what's the I?
did it kill the Q?

FML

You can't protect the rights of people you can't define.

Regardless of what anybody posting on this board thinks, it's organisations like Amnesty that have made 'trans' and 'trans rights' impossible to define and therefore defend.

Indeed. Name 1, just 1, right that 'trans people' don't have. Ffs.

Bloody wish they were!

What an amazing coincidence that objections and articles rose during the same period of time when Stonewall et al started to campaign for men to have access to women’s spaces and admitted they wanted to remove all sex-based rights from the EA.

And speaking of Stonewall, many, many media outlets have already tried consulting with trans supporting groups. The advice they received was illegal and so biased that it ended up being reported on.

I’ve long thought we’re more of an avalanche than a mere snowball though.

Funny they should use the word snow, when they're one of the many organisations who have, and continue to, snow the public with there entirely made up genderwang bollocks. 😂

Lol

Me too @terryleather i used to write letters in Spanish.

Yup, I remember all the letter writing campaigns for political prisoners I took part in during the 80s into the 90s…can’t believe what they’ve become.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools Sorry for the AI Analysis

Don't apologise! it was very useful, and much less biased than the Amnesty article.
Who'da thought we'd get to a point where AI as in Artificial Intelligence would be fairer to women that AI as in Amnesty International?

There have been lots and lots of areas where Amnesty have been criticised, those are just two that are relevant to this board.

No, that was what became Liberty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_(advocacy_group)

So they just want a few little things…to be allowed - nay, welcomed - wherever they want, alter the English language, indoctrinate and medicalise children, have unnecessary drugs and cosmetic procedures on demand, for free, and have the media act as their propaganda arm? Jeez, what are we making such a fuss about?

Thanks for the link, unfortunately I didn't get through most of it, it was a whole load of politically motivated codswallop. I stopped listening to this organisation years ago, it is a shame because they did once do a valuable job of bringing so many of the world's injustices to light.

Did it say anything about men in women's jails or men in women's sport ?

Or was it just one long 'trans' diatribe. There was a thread a short while ago about an article that stated that the UK was the 2nd worst in the world for 'trans' right's, I wonder if this complete load of twaddle was used by that article.

They were called the NCCL (National Council for Civil Liberties) then. And they did support PIE.

My thoughts exactly.

Over the past ten years the situation for LGBTI+ people in the UK has deteriorated.
Has the situation for LGB people and people with DSDs deteriorated over the last decade? Or is this just the usual forced teaming?

That's what so much of the press is these days. It's not there any longer to report stories with a moderate spin in favour of the stance of the proprietor. It's there to try and tell us how to think.

I have never liked being told what to think. It's probably the main reason why I stopped listening to Radio 4.

Please excuse me for a long while whilst I go and retrieve my eyeballs from whence they have rolled.

while the voices of trans people have been almost completely absent.
😂😂😂
A demonstration of a significant degree of isolation from reality if ever I saw one.

by asking gotcha questions
Any difficult question has now become a 'gotcha question'. Once upon a time a 'gotcha' was a planned trap, and perhaps not a particularly honest one - often used for e.g. cornering a politician with questions designed to make them unambiguously condemn, say, taking backhanders, before presenting them with evidence of their own grift. Or - the really unscrupulous version - asking some questions, guiding someone down a track with them saying, 'Well, to a point I agree, but with XVZ caveats... No, that's not precisely how I'd phrase it...' before metaphorically kicking them in the shins by accusing them of saying things they hadn't really said: 'So, Mr Smith, you admit that...' when Mr Smith hadn't really done so.

But yesterday I saw a complaint about how a podcast host asked 'gotchas' of people he had somehow lured onto his podcast who had a different viewpoint from him (his views are no secret, and are easy to find). From my POV he'd have a robust but very civil discussion, and then say, 'Okay, so we have established that you think A, B and C. But what about D, E and F [which said host has wanged on about for years] - surely these cannot be ignored?' And that's apparently a 'gotcha': a reality-based question which you might have expected, but to which you have no reply other than flannel.

Saying, 'Oh, he asked me a gotcha question!' is a way of saying, 'The person who was asking me questions is very mean, not entirely honest, and should be ignored!'

Waily-flipping-wail. Without robust, open, honest debate, we'll never move forward.