Afghanistan - selling children - guess which ones?

This is a shit argument for allowing illegal male Afghan immigrants to stay in our country.

FFS read what I write and don't add extra stuff. I didn't say we should let them stay. I was explaining a possible motive for them coming here.

According to the Government they only get a minimal amount of cash per week when waiting for asylum claims, so they can't unless they're undertaking criminal activity.

There is a huge black market in hired Deliveroo etc accounts that take advantage of the "substitute worker" rule that allows these gig economy platforms to claim that the workers are self-employed. If I walk through the city I work in at around 7pm, I see gatherings of young brown men on bicycles with food delivery bags and covered faces talking in languages that I can't understand. That's how they earn money on top of their asylum seeker payments: they hire a JustEat etc account that belongs to someone else who controls dozens or more such accounts just to rent them out, they get a bike, often from the person they rent the account from, and they deliver food to British people too lazy to collect it themselves.

Both trafficked people and asylum seekers work this way, as well as in hand car washes, nail bars, and brothels. It's everywhere in plain sight.

I'm not going engage with your bad faith deliberate twisting of what I wrote.

That might be the idea, but as they have to pay to get smuggled from country to country I'm not sure how the economics stack up. There's probably as many different reasons for travelling to Europe as there are migrants. Some for wholesome unselfish reasons, some fleeing crimes even the Taliban couldn't stomach and a whole spectrum in between.

In Kabul they can — there are some in the first minute here. Whether they can get over the border is another question.

Well the ones who are raping children here probably aren't, and there's quite a few of them. According to the Government they only get a minimal amount of cash per week when waiting for asylum claims, so they can't unless they're undertaking criminal activity.. What we do know is that the women and children would be much better off taking those men's place.

Edited to add: And even if they were 'sending money home' the chances it would be intercepted by the Taliban and used for their ends is extremely high.

This is a shit argument for allowing illegal male Afghan immigrants to stay in our country.

Because of men.

You're all missing something here. There is obviously a caste of well off older men able to afford to buy these girls, probably up to four of them, probably for a small amount, and they are beyond any chance of deposing them. They are probably in the government and probably in the opium business. With external support.

And if you think that advising married couples to stop having sex is a reliable alternative to contraception then I don't know what to tell you. That's never reduced the birth rate in any country anywhere.

You think that Afghanistan (and the Taliban) are big on trans-rights? 😂

The male small boat arrivals from Afghanistan are probably sending money home to support their parents and siblings.

And they are all having way more children than they can afford because they have no access to contraception.

Your misogyny, demonstrated by your refusal to hold men to account for their actions, is breathtaking. I'll write the factual version of that sentence:

And they are all having way more children than they can afford because the men keep putting their dicks in their wives.

No one ever got pregnant without sperm meeting an ovum. It is very simple to prevent sperm from meeting ova: men keep their semen out of women's bodies.

As you said to a previous poster, "use some common sense". Despite the widespread pretence that sex isn't real and gender is all-important, we all know how babies are made. And strangely, "I identify as a boy" isn't protecting these girls.

JK Rowling was instrumental in getting a group of 100 people - female lawyers and their families - out.

There have been women and girls helped to leave in small numbers. You are right that they will struggle to leave without the men in their lives supporting them.

https://bylinetimes.com/2022/03/02/girls-in-afghanistan-have-power/

Sarah Porter, who organised the assistance and funding, was pulled from the Spine Montane ultramarathon earlier this year because pro-Taliban men didn't like her doing that.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/5475690-5475690-woman-withdrawn-from-ultrarace-due-to-threats

Thank you for answering @user6791
From what you say it seems you do not have a sense your grandmother suffered especially badly. As you say it would have depended on how your grandfather treated her.

In the U.K., in modern times, we would say a fifteen year old girl was raped by a 35 year old man who already had other wives. But she accepted her lot, was glad she had not starved to death like others in her family, (found her husband kind?)and loved her children who came from it all.

It is like a girl being a dog or a cow with rape (because of there being no choice or understanding on the child’s part), sex and conception thrown in.

Isn't this what the ACRS does?

Don't be ridiculous.

I'd say fairly obviously not. Someone who's aghast at little children being sold as sex slaves probably isn't pro-completely destroy the country (and therefore all the children in it)?

What we need is to get rid of the Taliban culture where women don't have any human rights, or healthcare, or access to higher education, or jobs etc. Young, fit, single Afghan men are coming to our country in large numbers too so they're obviously not really a fan of the regime either.

That cultural practice yes. But are you saying the whole country should be eradicated?

Some cultures deserve to be eradicated. This one is right up there with ebola.

Exactly that. Widows face a bleak future. Apparently, the most usual outcome is that they are married off again to another brother from the same family. Custody of the children is automatically granted to the family of the deceased husband, so marrying into the family a second time is the only way she'll be able to keep her children.

It's so weird isn't it, on the one hand we're supposed to be evil bigots if we don't think our country, where many normal people currently can't afford to eat and need to use foodbanks, should give loads of cash in 'reparations' for slavery hundreds of years ago.

And yet THIS happening right now is 'oh the poor fathers selling their children into slavery' and fuck all effort to do anything to stop it.

Sadly this isn't a new problem nor is it unique to Afghanistan.

Assuming these children, often sold to much older men, survive early and constant childbirth, how will they survive when her abuser pops his clogs? Is all they have to hope for that they predecease him? That they'll have a son who'll be old enough, able (is cousin marriage also a thing there?) and willing to take up the reins, possibly sell a sister or two. Live long enough to see the next generation enslaved? How will her sons get together the capital to buy their own brides?

You asked why fathers don't sell themselves.

Because if they do, the entire family starves to death sharpish. In fact, as soon as the food already in the house runs out and the mother isn't able to go out to get more.

Whereas when they sell a daughter, life goes on exactly as it did before.

And they are all having way more children than they can afford because they have no access to contraception.

Use some common sense.