Unite the Kingdom - LWS/WRN

Before you know it you're agreeing that "all Muslim men are a threat to women" and then suddenly you're posting racist opinions.

You may be influenced by ‘the algorithm’ to make such mindless and clearly inaccurate generalisations but don’t put that in the rest of us.

In the same away that posters had to create the NAMALT acronym for the hard of thinking who repeatedly but wrongly accused us of making negative generalisations against men, the same letters work for Muslims.

You would do well to remember that. And criticising unacceptable Islamic practices is not racist.

What did Tommy Robinson do to bring the rape gangs to justice?

Most people will say it regardless of political leaning. Most people are biological realists.

I hate how the trans shitshow has been used by culture warriors. It's not left wing. It was brought down on us by the Tory government. The fight against it began with GC feminism. The women fighting back, through the courts, for women's rights, are feminists.😁

Only culture warriors claim it's a right/left wing thing.🙄

Hatemonger Tommy Robinson doesn't give a shit about women so it's a bit wick that women support him @Tooting33.😒

I don't personally know any GC/sex realist women who are far right and/or support Tommy Robinson. Nearly every woman I know is sex realist. Many are also GC. Most are left leaning or centrist.
Its fairly obvious the far right will be sex realist, but its like all tigers are big cats, isn't it?
If you find that you're ending up hanging out with far right GC people, then give far right people a swerve.

I've found myself becoming effectively anti left. As the authoritarianism has become so very evident, I’m very wary of them despite originally being leftish.

Also the left’s refusal to prioritise our workforce.
And the left’s refusal to discuss different perspectives. The whole ‘no debate’ thing seems very embedded. I don’t agree with no debate. As long as people are discussing politely, sharing their own different perspectives, then we should debate.

After months of this, I eventually concluded that fighting with pigs just leaves you both covered in muck, but the pigs enjoy it.

As I'm sure you are aware.

I'm not here for your entertainment.

Yes, obviously I challenged it. That’s rather the point.

Well if you engaged like this no wonder it didn't work.😘

I would have happily challenged that meme. It comes from a fear of extreme Islamism that is entirely justified. Combined with a fear that British politicians are being manipulated by extreme Islamists that is a distinct possibility given how easily the gender ideologists manipulated politicians. Engage with the person and then walk them back from 'all-Muslims' to 'extremist Islamists'.

Maybe the others in the group didn't think what you perceived as racist was racist, which is why you failed to convince anyone it was. Racist nowadays seems to mean 'anything I don't agree with', perhaps in reality you not the victim you think you are.

Maybe KJK is interested in more than one issue.

It depends who you follow etc.

How dare you?

I did try. Repeatedly. Frankly, you can fuck off with the implication that I didn’t do enough.

I did engage.

For months.

This wasn’t one meme followed by a flounce out of the door.

It was many comments. It was moderators refusing to sanction the racists.

It was being told by people like you to engage and argue my case and it got worse and worse and worse until I could stand it no more.

Apparently there’s no level of racism severe enough for you to think leaving is justified.

Noted.

Well that is, of course, your choice but I think it is a shame that you didn't have a good enough relationship with enough of the women to challenge it.

Clearly 😟

Graham Linehan and JK Rowling were staunch Labour supporters. They got pushed right through the conflict of rights that the trans issue threw up.

I would agree that (almost) everyone has a line and that you could have a sort of YouGov poll of memes and rank them according to what % of the population consider them to be 'nasty' and then decide where to put the line for the whole country.
It's not really the point though, is it? If someone posts a nasty meme they are telling you something about themselves. Maybe it's about their sense of humour, maybe their need to be in-group, maybe a deep fear that they have, maybe their lack of critical thought or maybe they are just a cruel, soulless person. You won't know which if you don't engage and you won't change their outlook if you don't engage.

I’m allowed to decide when the overall tone or content no longer sits comfortably with me. In this case, I saw material I considered racist and chose not to continue participating.

Why would you be associated with racist views because someone in a group you are in posted a meme you consider racist? Did the group adopt the meme as its logo? Did the vast majority of women in the group 'like' the meme? Are you willing to try to change minds across a whole spectrum of subjects, or are some complete no-go areas for you? Are some people completely irredeemable in your view? Have you formed decent relationships with any of these women so you can talk honestly with them?

This one was an anti-Muslim meme portraying Muslims as deceitful extremists who intend violence against gay people and British politicians. It was hilarious.

That’s one interpretation.

Another is that I’m perfectly capable of being around people who disagree with me. I’m less interested in being associated with views I consider racist.

Well one person's nasty meme is another's hilarious joke, and memes can be a way of expressing opinion

Surely there's a line though? Some memes are intrinsically nasty, whatever side you relate to.

What strikes me as very interesting is sexual liberalism has so thoroughly won the culture war that even its supposed opponents now speak its language and even the contemporary Right measures its victories using the left's own ruler. I know my granny and Enoch Powell would've had a heart attack at the publicly undressing women and scant attire being seen as Based Patriotism. The liberal order still sets the terms of legitimacy and both sides continue to move within its horizon and that means more tits out for the (lads?) Male gaze? Empowering OnlyFans promo? #GirlBoss

Well one person's nasty meme is another's hilarious joke, and memes can be a way of expressing opinion, trying to bond or testing the water . If we are going to flounce every time someone posts a meme that we don't like then dialogue is not going to be possible. Which of course is exactly what the extremists at both ends want. God forbid that women should talk and try to resolve some of the UK's terrible problems.