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Paramaribo2025 · 19/05/2026 01:21

Oh well.
Never mind.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 19/05/2026 00:48

AntiRacistFella · 18/05/2026 08:40

I will say what I think here - the GC movement should cut off and disassociate those who want to ally with far-right groups and individuals

That would probably actually benefit the GC cause politically against the people you call 'TRAs' and others who you no doubt think of as fellow travellers.

But I'm saying this because in the bigger picture it's the morally right thing to do

Right wing women are women.

You've got some nerve to, as a man, come onto a women's rights board and tell women who we should censure. Male entitlement writ large again.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 19/05/2026 00:46

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 17/05/2026 16:59

You are side-stepping the point I made. This was very clearly about the contrast between incontrovertible evidence of the cult-like behaviour of two authoritarian, minority groups in the UK vs the absence of such behaviour from the majority of the population, ie. gender critical / sex realists.

My post was in response to, and quoted, this post about detransitioner Philippa:

"On X, she recently retweeted Keen-Minshull’s statement, ‘Islam is incompatible with women’s rights’, and caused a stir while being photographed for this piece, when she announced she would be attending Tommy Robinson’s Unite The Kingdom rally in London.
So she joined another cult then"

Your pivot to a deep dive into the cause of the rise of fundamentalist Islam since the 1970s is a deliberate distraction from the point being made.

Your patronising dismissal of both the death-dealing Fatwas against Salman Rushdie and Lubna Zaidi and the appalling harassment of detransitioners as mere "anecdotes" demonstrates that you would do anything rather than confront actual evidence.

There has been no "trading of anecdotes" because there is no anecdotal evidence of similar cult-like behaviour by gender critical / sex realists.

Where I think the PP who I quoted is wrong is in conflating "charismatic leader" with "cult leader". The two are not synonymous.

It is also obvious that there does not need to be a "cult leader" for "cult-like behaviour" to be in evidence.

This article is a good explainer:

Cults Without Leaders: How Belief Systems Replace Thinking Under Identity Pressure, and Why Parts of the Modern Left Exhibit Cult Dynamics
Identity Pressure, Moral Absolutism, and the Erosion of Independent Judgment

One of the most effective defenses modern belief systems deploy is a misconception about what cults actually are.

When people hear the word cult, they picture a charismatic leader: a Jim Jones, a David Koresh, a guru standing on a stage issuing commands to followers who surrender their autonomy. So when accusations of cultish behavior arise in modern political or cultural movements, the response is immediate:

“Where’s the leader?”“Who’s the cult figure?”“That can’t be a cult — no one is in charge.”

This objection sounds reasonable. It is also outdated.

Modern cults rarely look like the caricatures people expect. In fact, the absence of a single charismatic leader is not evidence against cultish behavior — it is often evidence of its evolution.

To understand why, we need to stop defining cults by personalities and start defining them by function.

What a Cult Is — Functionally

At its core, a cult is not defined by robes, compounds, or leaders. It is defined by how belief operates inside a group.

Functionally, a cult exists when:

  • Identity replaces evidence
  • Belief becomes a moral obligation
  • Doubt is treated as betrayal
  • Repetition substitutes for verification
  • Group belonging outweighs factual coherence
In other words, cults are not primarily about who is followed. They are about how beliefs are maintained and enforced.

Once belief becomes an identity signal rather than a truth-seeking process, cult dynamics are already present — regardless of leadership structure.

The Charismatic Leader Fallacy

The fixation on charismatic leaders is a relic of earlier eras. Traditional cults required a central authority because information flowed slowly and communication was limited. Control depended on physical proximity and hierarchical enforcement.

Modern belief systems operate differently.

Today, authority is distributed, not centralized. Media ecosystems, social platforms, and peer reinforcement replace the need for a single leader. Narratives propagate horizontally through repetition rather than vertically through command.

No one has to say, “Believe this.”Everyone simply repeats it.

The group itself becomes the authority.

This is why the question “Where is the leader?” misses the point. In modern cults, leadership is replaced by consensus pressure. The belief persists not because someone orders it to, but because rejecting it threatens social belonging.

Full article:
lucianseraphis.substack.com/p/cults-without-leaders-how-belief-6ca

Cancelling and doxxing are how the cult punishes and ostracises dissenters.

There are robes though: rainbow lanyards and other displayed symbols of adherence to the belief set.

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 18/05/2026 20:24

FlirtsWithRhinos · 18/05/2026 20:17

No one really likes Tunnocks tea cakes. It's all preference falsification driven by social conformity. It's like TWAW is for the Genderist lot, a test of faith and purity that everyone thinks everyone else believes so they nod and go along with it.

So I'm Tunnock non-conforming. Do I get a flag?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 18/05/2026 20:17

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 18/05/2026 16:48

I do not like Tunnocks tea cakes. There, I've said it. I feel better already

No one really likes Tunnocks tea cakes. It's all preference falsification driven by social conformity. It's like TWAW is for the Genderist lot, a test of faith and purity that everyone thinks everyone else believes so they nod and go along with it.

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2026 20:02

<makes another note>

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 18/05/2026 19:39

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2026 19:27

I do hope that isnt performative.

Anyone taking the wafer should do so only when they truly believe in the holy terf doctrine of transinsubstantiation, lest they be cast oot.

Amen, sister. Just don't make me go to Confession first; it could take a while.

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2026 19:27

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 18/05/2026 19:05

Gulp.
I do like the caramel wafers.

I do hope that isnt performative.

Anyone taking the wafer should do so only when they truly believe in the holy terf doctrine of transinsubstantiation, lest they be cast oot.

JanesLittleGirl · 18/05/2026 19:17

I joined for the feminism but stayed for the Tunnocks.

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 18/05/2026 19:05

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2026 18:00

I've made a note.

Gulp.
I do like the caramel wafers.

moto748e · 18/05/2026 18:19

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 18/05/2026 16:48

I do not like Tunnocks tea cakes. There, I've said it. I feel better already

Neither do I! They're vile!

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2026 18:00

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 18/05/2026 16:48

I do not like Tunnocks tea cakes. There, I've said it. I feel better already

I've made a note.

Dragons Den Writing GIF by CBC
AstonScrapingsNameChange · 18/05/2026 17:26

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 18/05/2026 16:48

I do not like Tunnocks tea cakes. There, I've said it. I feel better already

Splitter!

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 18/05/2026 16:52

AntiRacistFella · 18/05/2026 08:40

I will say what I think here - the GC movement should cut off and disassociate those who want to ally with far-right groups and individuals

That would probably actually benefit the GC cause politically against the people you call 'TRAs' and others who you no doubt think of as fellow travellers.

But I'm saying this because in the bigger picture it's the morally right thing to do

I will say what I think here - the GC movement should cut off and disassociate those who want to ally with far-right groups and individuals

Christ, do you not know we have been having that discussion since forever? Keep up, mate.

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 18/05/2026 16:48

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2026 16:28

You say, that, Rhinos. But have you ever tried blaspheming against the Tunnocks orthodoxy?

I do not like Tunnocks tea cakes. There, I've said it. I feel better already

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2026 16:28

You say, that, Rhinos. But have you ever tried blaspheming against the Tunnocks orthodoxy?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 18/05/2026 15:40

AntiRacistFella · 18/05/2026 08:40

I will say what I think here - the GC movement should cut off and disassociate those who want to ally with far-right groups and individuals

That would probably actually benefit the GC cause politically against the people you call 'TRAs' and others who you no doubt think of as fellow travellers.

But I'm saying this because in the bigger picture it's the morally right thing to do

You are getting very close to the logic of the people who think all Muslim people should periodically declare they don't support Islamic terrorism.

There isn't a GC "movement". There is an increasing number of women and now also men waking up and saying "hang on, this whole TWAW TMAM thing makes no sense even by its own lights, and it's really not fair on women at all".

Some of those people align with other politics I personaly have no truck with, but I can't stop them and nor can anyone else. There is no Supreme GC Commander you know, nor Official Board of GC Spokespeople. We don't have a flag. Even the Official Snackbar of Gender Criticism is really just a snackbar preference with no weight behind it (other than what we put on by eating it...)

What I do know is that sexist and regressive ideas about men and women are not baked into Gender Criticism - quite the opposite. But they are baked into Genderism, because without the belief that the fundmanetall difference between men and women is in how we think not the simple fact we have different bodies and because of that different social experiences and challenges, Gederism itself cannot exist.

TheIceBear · 18/05/2026 14:29

It’s a bit crazy that this can happen and that a “no” was so readily accepted when she said she didn’t want to freeze her eggs. At such a young age. This poor woman. It’s a really sad story and messed up in so many ways .

crumpet · 18/05/2026 11:34

Her political views do not affect whether she is factually correct that changing sex is not possible.

To claim otherwise is like saying someone of a political view that I disagree with is automatically wrong to claim that humans are mammals.

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 18/05/2026 11:26

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2026 10:42

Who put you in charge of bossing women about?

Indeed!

The self righteous doubling down on cancelling/ hounding anyone with a different opinion as the 'morally right thing to do' is quite astounding.

Because who decides who is in and who is out? If we're going to deviate from the law of the land and superimpose a stricter set of criteria for acceptable speech/ beliefs - who gets to decide? Why them?

Doesn't sound very democratic, does it?

I will fight for the right of anyone to express legal beliefs, support legitimate political parties and attend legal rallies, even if iI heartily disagree with the views being expressed.

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2026 11:15

If someone is unhappy about what others are doing an effective approach is to do the thing you want done yourself.

Heckling and admonishment doesn't get anyone very far.

mumumental · 18/05/2026 11:13

He’s right though. They should stay away from that rabble.

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2026 10:43

Giving yourself a righteous username doesn't make you some kind of moral arbiter ffs. The tedious patronising cheek of it.

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2026 10:42

AntiRacistFella · 18/05/2026 08:40

I will say what I think here - the GC movement should cut off and disassociate those who want to ally with far-right groups and individuals

That would probably actually benefit the GC cause politically against the people you call 'TRAs' and others who you no doubt think of as fellow travellers.

But I'm saying this because in the bigger picture it's the morally right thing to do

Who put you in charge of bossing women about?

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 18/05/2026 10:33

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 18/05/2026 10:12

Its interesting how the 'GC movement' (where my membership card??) are supposed to purge their ranks of wrong thinkers, lest any far righties be there.

But, the trans community never condemns awful treatment meted out by their brethren, either to detransistioners, or GC people.

On one hand, we are baddies because we don't condemn other people's, who share some of our views, thoughts.

On the other hand, real concrete actions by members of the trans community are shrugged off because, dear reader, she was asking for it.

Men's rights activism writ large.

Edited

Well said.

Stalking, harassing, preventing her from working, ACTUAL discrimination is waved away. But turning up to a rally with one dubious character, we're supposed to care more about that.

Fucks sake.