US to open world’s first children’s ‘detransition clinic’ Texas hospital to offer free services reversing the effects of gender-affirming treatments

For a deep dive into reasons for detransition for the current cohort, there's a deep analysis here;
https://www.psychiatrymargins.com/p/understanding-detransitions-in-transgender

And humans are not mammals, except when we are…. That should be in classics 😂😂😂😂

All those in the USA who medically 'transed' must have had it all paid for, is the same pathway not available to them to de-'trans'

What's meta-dialoging when it's at home????
And the Catholic Church invented gender ideology, it all makes sense now. 🤔

But thanks to the transing of history we will bever know just how many were involved.

No, no, that's fine. It's all very clear. Very clear.

I don't identify as trans, or a trans woman. I was in transition then and by definition a trans woman (or girl, if pedantic... but now there will be a dozen posts about this) while undergoing transition.

The only thing I would add to this is that pretty much every person in the whole world "exists within the expectations of sex categories". Very rarely it's unclear but there are normally some obvious cues e.g. the person's gait (as a standalone) or a combination of multiple factors.

Whether every person wants their sex to be correctly perceived or not is another matter. Which I think is what you're saying too.

We agree.

I would add that 'unclear' isn't necessarily unclear. There's probably some significance to 'clarity' by context and beliefs that ultimately doesn't matter within social interaction. There is also an unrelated grey area of androgyny that eventually is sorted out, but that is different.

OK, fair enough. It was just interesting to see you refer to yourself as a trans woman after telling us you were not. No worries.

People can identify a man when dressed in clothes 'traditionally' associated with women. Clothes are superficial to sex. I think we agree.
People look at other people and perceive their sex. They are not identifying the gametes. Assumptions are made based on sex characteristics amongst other observable cues. If a person exists within the expectations of sex categories, then socially, they are treated as that sex whether they wish to be or not.

Yes. I agree.

The only thing I would add to this is that pretty much every person in the whole world "exists within the expectations of sex categories". Very rarely it's unclear but there are normally some obvious cues e.g. the person's gait (as a standalone) or a combination of multiple factors.

Whether every person wants their sex to be correctly perceived or not is another matter. Which I think is what you're saying too.

And yes, socially we treat people a certain way because of this perception. It's annoying but it's true.

People can identify a man when dressed in clothes 'traditionally associated' with women. Clothes are superficial to sex. I think we agree.

People look at other people and perceive their sex. They are not identifying the gametes. Assumptions are made based on sex characteristics amongst other observable cues. If a person exists within the expectations of sex categories, then socially they are treated as that sex whether they wish to be or not.

What is a perception of someone's sex, if it's not related to clothing (or other) stereotypes?

The physical impact of removing healthy organs and emotional impact of not getting the right mental health support for dysphoria is enough damage.

Yes, THIS. All day.

I'm talking about the perception of sex. Different than clothing stereotypes, though they are significant.

Sex has been manifested outside of the body across millennia.

Do you mean behaviours and "dress codes" that we stereotypically associate with people's sex?

If so, I agree. These have changed over time and vary between cultures around the world.

Obviously lots of people don't follow them, but they still exist as stereotypes.

Even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day. I don’t agree with the MAGA principles, but I know humans can’t change sex and young ‘trans’ people need mental health help and support not surgery and drugs.

“Threads like this are so revealing. If you were genuinely concerned about the physical impact of transition, you think you'd be pleased to discover the risks are not as terrible as you imagined. But instead you want to cling to that idea of risk, because none of this is actually about compassion or concern, it's about your ideological opposition to the existence of trans people, and all you actually want is for the evidence to tell you what you already believe.”

The physical impact of removing healthy organs and emotional impact of not getting the right mental health support for dysphoria is enough damage.

Yes, in that context 'we' was the trans women I knew who were in the very tiny trans community on the periphery of the gay community in the city I transitioned.

And when I say 'trans community' I am talking about the trans women I saw in the bars week after week and the gay and lesbian youth group at the community centre.

Just to add: no one really ever understands the US healthcare system. All you need to know is that you will be expected to be employed the rest of your life (so you can be on your employer's insurance plan), or pay literally your arm and your leg for a private policy which may or may not pay for what you need when you need it. And you still have to pay your co-pays and for your prescriptions.

Depending on your plan.

Which no one will ever explain properly.

You said: "We were forbidden from entering the 'men only' spaces like back rooms, strip bars and bath houses."

I assumed you meant trans women, by "we".

The ease of getting insurance depends on many things: yes, your age is one of them.. There are ways around turning 26 and having to come off your parents' policy, but this again varies by policy, provider, in-service or out-of-service, and state by state.. It's a minefield.

I'm not sure most providers have even scratched the surface of what they would or would not include, or even if they would accept someone with long-term health issues due to transitioning and then detransitioning. Supposedly, Obama Care, as it used to be called, requires states to provide health insurance even if you have pre-existing conditions, but I doubt they've even gotten that far with detransitioners. It will probably be hashed out in court once the detransitioners all hit 26.

If they have aged out of their parents' insurance, they would need to find new coverage either from the state or via employment/student programs.

New insurance would be required for 'detransition' healthcare, which is effectively the same as transition healthcare but with different psychological support requirements maybe, depending on the 'cause' of detransition.

I don't know/remember if there is any inherent obligation to cure complications under original insurance, but morally I would hope there to be.

eta: also, not all detransitioners wish to return to their original 'sex.' Some non-binary people stop transition healthcare at some point where they feel their bodies reflect a state that is comfortable to them.

Does anyone on here understand the US medical insurance system?

It appears that many children are included under their parents insurance cover until 25/26 and I often see people online trying to get surgery whilst still on their parents cover.

If someone had surgery at say 25 using their parents cover and then wish to detransition (or have complications) when they are no longer on the parents insurance how easy would it be for them to get medical insurance which covers the detransition (or complications )

is “sex realist” also a straw man?

I suppose it is as much as 'Trans Identified-' is.

Oh, it is absolutely mostly obvious what sex people are. I've never said it isn't.

I believe people are at best able to guess someone's sex 99.5% (for some value of not always) of the time and accurate possession/production of functional gametes 90-95% (for some value of reproductive ability is not always present) of the time.

Im guessing he didnt start bleeding from his genitals during an English lesson and if he did, the teacher would have called an ambulance.

'we' is FWR. This is not the first time all of this has been discussed on this website. It all seems part of the goal to discourage participation of outsiders by diverting focus to passive-aggressive meta-discussions.