US to open world’s first children’s ‘detransition clinic’ Texas hospital to offer free services reversing the effects of gender-affirming treatments

As part of the deal, the Detransition Clinic will offer its services free of charge for the first year.

Ouch. I bet that stings.

Elaine Miller is the person who flashed her pubes at Holyrood during a debate about the gender recognition

No, she didn't. I haven't checked the accuracy of the rest of your post but that bit is not true.

Well I was talking about the effects of long term effects of puberty blockers on bone mineralisation.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/

There has been a massive increase in the number of young people delaying puberty then taking cross sex hormones. The real effects of this are going to be seen in later life. I do think that providers of gender affirming care should be responsible for helping their (former child) patients with the consequences whether that’s fertility treatment, osteoporosis, endocrinology, reconstructive surgery in the longer term. I’m really not sure what insurers in the U.S. will fund going forward.

Sorry, are you really saying that a child given cross-sex hormones after puberty blockers will go through the natural puberty process of the opposite sex, as if they’ve actually changed sex?

If they can't get medical malpractice insurance, no hospital will take them on. Private practice might be possible, but requirements will vary state to state, including state medical board regulations and malpractice insurance requirements. It may be that a state such as Connecticut might have "looser" requirements around "gender-affirming" medical practice than Texas does.

If such a thing exists as "politics based malpractice insurance regulations " then you can bet that a state like Connecticut might still allow these five "physicians " to practice there.

After all, we all know that politics, Trump, and being on the RSOH is what's important here, not the children involved! (or even the numbers of children involved). Just ask FireBucket.

Opposite sex hormones don't though, but more to the point, puberty blockers are known to prevent the bone mineral deposits required during adolescence, and cause bone thinning issues which are lifelong. If you have evidence otherwise, please provide a reference. You can read the Cass report as evidence for my statement.

That's interesting, the investigation clearly found wrong doing if it were able to force such a compromise from the hospital. I wonder if the 5 'gender' surgeons are to face any professional charges or are free to relocate and carry on doing harm. 🤔

It's good news, I wonder if the NHS will set up one or will such a thing fall foul of the promised horror the Conversion Therapy Law. 😤

😂 Even the useful idiots at the BMA were forced to conclude:

"Nearly two years after BMA members controversially voted to conduct an independent evaluation of the Cass review,2 the report agrees that the evidence base for treatment is weak, that the risks of osteoporosis and fertility problems are present in the current evidence, and that there is a need for improved research, better data, and more robust multidisciplinary …"

From the intro to the BMA report written by the BMA:

https://www.bmj.com/content/393/bmj.s876.full

To late to edit:

Sorry, should have read "I wonder why you seem to need there to be no detransitioners?"

Same organisation, in the updated pdf:

The long-term effects of these medications (opposite sex hormones) on the risk of breaking a bone isn’t yet fully known.

Some recent research shows that treating children or young people with drug treatments that lower their hormone levels may delay them reaching a peak or maximum bone mass.

I thought you might have read it the first time I posted it 🙄

It doesn't matter how many children or young people this clinic will help; what matters is that there will be somewhere for them to go. If this clinic helps even one person who realizes she or he made a mistake in transitioning, surely that's a good thing. Surely you don't need everyone to stay unhappy being "trans" if that's no longer how they see themselves? You seem to be saying you'd rather some unhappy children and young people should remain unhappy because you don't believe anyone should need such a clinic.

I stand by my original statement: safeguarding children should never be about politics.

I wonder why you seem to need there to be no transitioners?

We're happy to let the people who read the threads decide what they reveal 😘

Threads like this are so revealing. If you were genuinely concerned about the physical impact of transition, you think you'd be pleased to discover the risks are not as terrible as you imagined. But instead you want to cling to that idea of risk, because none of this is actually about compassion or concern, it's about your ideological opposition to the existence of trans people, and all you actually want is for the evidence to tell you what you already believe.

Tell that to @Secretseverywhere and @endofagain because they certainly were.

"Surgical treatment for gender dysphoria removes the natural source of sex hormones and will result in osteoporosis unless hormone therapy, sometimes called cross-sex hormone treatment, is taken."

https://theros.org.uk/information-and-support/osteoporosis/causes/transgender-trans-people-and-osteoporosis/

As commented, I'll see you back here in 3 years and we'll see how many patients this clinic has actually seen. If it's in trend with every other detransitioner initiative instigated over the last few years, it'll be barely a handful. Remember Charlie Evans and her "Detransitioners Network", trumpeting in the headlines that she was going to support thousands? Before the organisation went defunked she admitted she'd been contacted by only 12 people. Genspect's Detrans Awareness Day conference, despite supposedly being a global event, was attended by less than 40 actual detransitioners. The artist Sarah Vaci embarked on a project to photograph 100 detransitioned women - four years later, she has yet to find 100, and some of those she photographed have since retransitioned. The pattern repeats itself over and over.

@FireBucket No, osteoporosis it is not a side effect of taking cross sex hormones. This is simply an untrue statement. Osteoporosis is caused by having low or no sex hormones. Taking HRT - either oestrogen or testosterone - is protective against osteoporosis.

We're not talking about HRT.

No, osteoporosis it is not a side effect of taking cross sex hormones. This is simply an untrue statement. Osteoporosis is caused by having low or no sex hormones. Taking HRT - either oestrogen or testosterone - is protective against osteoporosis.

Elaine Miller is the person who flashed her pubes at Holyrood during a debate about the gender recognition. As I recall she also lied about the number of trans patients she'd seen in her clinic, claiming they made up the bulk of her workload, then it turned out she'd seen less than 20. I'd hardly call her an objective commenter.

Transitioning children, telling them their bodies are "wrong", feeding them drugs, and chopping off healthy body parts would always have been wrong, even if Trump and his ilk had never existed. It has always been wrong to harm children, and however this new clinic has come about, if it can help some of the children this horrible ideology has harmed, then good!

This is not about Trump, and safeguarding children should never be about politics. Maybe think about that while you are sitting on your "moral high ground."

What the Cass review actually said was there was "moderate-quality evidence that bone density and height may be compromised during treatment [with puberty blockers]", but it found no evidence treatment with PBs cause long term adult osteoporosis, and it also cited research which shows bone density fully recovers when puberty blockers are stopped and puberty commences, whether that's naturally or via gender affirming hormones.

Stop spreading scaremongering misinformation.

Written by Nick Wallis, so clicks to the DM article will hopefully further boost his journalisitic profile.

It absolutely is a side effect of taking cross sex hormones. Together with early menopause, vaginal atrophy, with all the pain and bladder problems that causes, and infertility too. Elaine Millar (Miller?) explains this very clearly on her you tube videos. She is an obstetric physiotherapist whose work is valid for CPD for HCPs. I can't do links on phone but she is easy to find.

Royal Osteoporosis Society:

The long-term effects of these medications (opposite sex hormones) on the risk of breaking a bone isn’t yet fully known.
Some recent research shows that treating children or young people with drug treatments that lower their hormone levels may delay them reaching a peak or maximum bone mass.

https://strwebprdmedia.blob.core.windows.net/media/libmnjci/ros-transgender-trans-people-and-osteoporosis.pdf

Poor kids who were even put in this situation to begin with.

I'm so sorry @endofagain .

The Cass Review highlighted the negative impact of pausing puberty in children. Research shows that puberty blockers impair bone density and leaving adolescents vulnerable to osteoporosis. (Even the captured BMA have had to acknowledge this).

Yet still the adults determined to transition other people's children continue to push their untruths at everyone.