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Cambridge Union debate - This House Believes modern LGBTQ+ activism fails its community

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ItsCoolForCats · 15/05/2026 07:15

I'm starting this thread mainly so I can post this link because Maeve Halligan is a force to be reckoned with:

https://x.com/i/status/2055119527914938412

They lost the debate, which was to be expected given the state of universities on this issue, but Thea Sewell said they got a respectable number of votes. Hopefully they have planted some seeds in people's minds.

Other speakers were Buck Angel and Helen Webberley (for the other side).

Full debate is here https://www.youtube.com/live/wE0JY9d7f-w?si=4ZIVmcxyevo0DQvB

Thea Sewell (@theasewell05) on X

lIf you do anything today, watch @MaeveHalligan at the Cambridge Union. I genuinely think this was the first time many people in that room were confronted with the hard reality of the trans debate, rather than the slogans that usually surround it. @Bu...

https://x.com/i/status/2055119527914938412

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OpheliaWasntMad · 17/05/2026 01:25

Well hats off to Maeve Halligan. Brilliant speech. She’s a superstar.

OpheliaWasntMad · 17/05/2026 01:21

EmilyinEverton · 17/05/2026 01:20

Not afraid in the sense of physical domination obviously.

indeed- Whereas real women are afraid of being assaulted by so called trans women in public toilets.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 17/05/2026 01:21

EmilyinEverton · 17/05/2026 01:12

It's not about who you or I personally find more attractive out of the two. The point is for the general population sex traits influence attraction.

So, I think you are trying to tell me you think I'd rather have sex with a macho man with a fanny than a pretty lady with a willy?

Actually no.

Firstly, loads of women find androgenous men sexy. Secondly, if I went to bed with a man and found him to be a woman, I'd stop seeing him as a man. Might still sleep with her because I"m not 100% straight 😁 but I'd certainly at that point be attracted to her as a woman not a man with a fanny.

Honestly mate this feels like something you have logicked into being rather than actual truth.

EmilyinEverton · 17/05/2026 01:20

OpheliaWasntMad · 17/05/2026 01:18

But you said male “hysteria” about “transwomen” is the result of their “fears..”
I don’t know a single man who is afraid of “trans women”….
I do know that many women are very unhappy about self Identifying “transwomen” going into women’s spaces.

Not afraid in the sense of physical domination obviously.

OpheliaWasntMad · 17/05/2026 01:18

EmilyinEverton · 17/05/2026 01:13

Their 'ridiculousness' isn't the point of this discussion. Rather what characteristics influence attraction.

But you said male “hysteria” about “transwomen” is the result of their “fears..”
I don’t know a single man who is afraid of “trans women”….
I do know that many women are very unhappy about self Identifying “transwomen” going into women’s spaces.

EmilyinEverton · 17/05/2026 01:18

FlirtsWithRhinos · 17/05/2026 01:13

FWIW, many straight women, especially when we are young, find feminine presenting men very attractive. Look at our pin-ups, boy bands, K pop and so on. Hulk Hogan they ain't. Literally the opposite of how Ez thinks it is.

I used to have a thing for The Bay City Rollers who weren't exactly doyennes of masculinity but no, they did not have female bits. I think what you are referring to is prettiness & symmetrical facial features which younger women & men seek for reproductive 'fitness' reasons.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/05/2026 01:17

EmilyinEverton · 17/05/2026 01:13

Their 'ridiculousness' isn't the point of this discussion. Rather what characteristics influence attraction.

And what are the characteristics that do?

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Their 'ridiculousness' isn't the point of this discussion. Rather what characteristics influence attraction.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 17/05/2026 01:13

FWIW, many straight women, especially when we are young, find feminine presenting men very attractive. Look at our pin-ups, boy bands, K pop and so on. Hulk Hogan they ain't. Literally the opposite of how Ez thinks it is.

EmilyinEverton · 17/05/2026 01:12

FlirtsWithRhinos · 17/05/2026 01:07

The problem with your analogy / projection is that I have literally no idea which of the two you think I'm supposed to fancy! In fact I don't even know myself!

I don't really fancy either of them when they have the rights bits so swapping them around didn't really iluminate anything for me, except in the sense it told me a bit about how you think about sexual attraction.

It's not about who you or I personally find more attractive out of the two. The point is for the general population sex traits influence attraction.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/05/2026 01:11

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MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 17/05/2026 01:09

Surely "transbians" are just heterosexuals where one partner likes cross dressing, no? I'm not sure why we would need a special word for that?

EmilyinEverton · 17/05/2026 01:08

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/05/2026 01:06

lol, are they really?

Sure. Their 'hysteria' on such matters is probably born mainly of two fears:

A. Women & men are interchangeable…which threatens their hierarchical dominance
B. They won't be able to 'tell the difference'….which threatens their reproductive capacity.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 17/05/2026 01:07

EmilyinEverton · 17/05/2026 01:03

Being attracted to traits/characteristics usually associated which one sex. Hence the Megan Fox V Hulk Hogan analogy.

The problem with your analogy / projection is that I have literally no idea which of the two you think I'm supposed to fancy! In fact I don't even know myself!

I don't really fancy either of them when they have the rights bits so swapping them around didn't really iluminate anything for me, except in the sense it told me a bit about how you think about sexual attraction.

OpheliaWasntMad · 17/05/2026 01:07

EmilyinEverton · 17/05/2026 01:03

Being attracted to traits/characteristics usually associated which one sex. Hence the Megan Fox V Hulk Hogan analogy.

So who would find Hulk Hogan with a vagina attractive ?And who would be looking for a Megan Foxx with a penis?
Id say that’s a niche market.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/05/2026 01:06

lol, are they really?

EmilyinEverton · 17/05/2026 01:05

OpheliaWasntMad · 17/05/2026 01:04

There’s an old ( misogynistic) joke about a man who goes to bed with an apparently young beautiful woman. And then she takes off her wig, teeth, make up, corsets etc …
So people can be “tricked” … up to a point. But once in the bedroom… things become clearer.

I dunno, technology is pretty advanced these days. That's why men are in such a 'panic' about trans women.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/05/2026 01:04

Hulk Hogan is dead, Megan has that being alive thing going for her at least!

OpheliaWasntMad · 17/05/2026 01:04

EmilyinEverton · 17/05/2026 00:57

Err, I'm actually telling you where your actual attraction lies & tip: it isn't your gametes or chromosomes.

There’s an old ( misogynistic) joke about a man who goes to bed with an apparently young beautiful woman. And then she takes off her wig, teeth, make up, corsets etc …
So people can be “tricked” … up to a point. But once in the bedroom… things become clearer.

EmilyinEverton · 17/05/2026 01:03

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/05/2026 01:01

What is “sex traits attraction”?

Being attracted to traits/characteristics usually associated which one sex. Hence the Megan Fox V Hulk Hogan analogy.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 17/05/2026 01:02

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/05/2026 01:01

What is “sex traits attraction”?

It's Ez saying they'd rather sleep with Hulk Hogan with a fanny than Megan Fox with a willy, or something.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/05/2026 01:01

EmilyinEverton · 17/05/2026 00:59

They are when it comes to sex traits attraction.

What is “sex traits attraction”?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 17/05/2026 01:01

EmilyinEverton · 17/05/2026 00:59

They are when it comes to sex traits attraction.

Sez you. But you iz wrong. Because you makez it up.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 17/05/2026 01:00

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EmilyinEverton · 17/05/2026 00:59

FlirtsWithRhinos · 17/05/2026 00:58

Indeed. And just as seawater and tapwater are not interchangeable when it comes to drinking, lesbians in the original sense and the extra "lesbians" you added under the name are not interchangeable when it comes to sex.ual attraction.

They are when it comes to sex traits attraction.