Giggle v Tickle Friday 15th May 2pm AEST

They do the same with sex! Funny how all the same things apply. Categories are really useful, and sometimes even categories within categories.

Ok. Either this is the latest favourite trans argument that they've all been briefed on at TRAHQ, or we are being beaten to death with sock puppets.

This is at least the third TRA thread derailer to have made this exact argument in the last week. It never gets more convincing btw.

Gretal. Changing your name, and trying again on a different thread after being comprehensively proven wrong on the last one, isn't going to suddenly make your argument more convincing this time.
The women here are not so easily fooled.

“If 100% of the women harmed found it significant does that matter at all? Or that 100% of those attacks could have been prevented by removing the very tiny number of men in women's prisons?”

Indeed, safeguarding principles at work.

Identifying potential increase in risk compared to the general population of female people seems so easily and breezily dismissed with some illogical declaration that somehow one group of male people will miraculously show a different pattern of offending when offending statistics are somehow collected compared to incarceration statistics.

remembering also that this specific group also has been shown to have a pattern of receiving non-carceral convictions. Of course, we should not discuss them the number of those receiving leniency who then end up committing sex offences again.

I think he just doesn't realise that he's actually made the case for keeping all men in Iceland out of all women's spaces in Iceland... and that on the basis that they're men, not because they're Icelandic. So the same applies not only to all men in other countries too, but also to all men no matter what additional traits they possess, as they're irrelevant to the fact that they're men.

Like when he told us men in women's sports is fine as long as it's not very many of them, thus admitting that he knows they're not women and that they cause a problem.

Are you a teenager who has not yet learned the meaning of disingenuous?

When you think it through also, it is incongruous that there are people who also dismiss the behaviour of these male people with transgender identities who are imprisoned with female inmates. These male people not only show a male pattern of criminality in the prisoner statistics, but also rather significantly when they are then imprisoned in with female inmates.

But apparently the attacks on female people in prison by those prisoners are to be also written off as statistically insignificant.

This has some interesting points about how Tickle’s speech has been delivered.

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I mean, I am just waiting for Allsop, the Williams institutes and the many Wikipedia links to fallacies etc. including the tyranny of the majority.

I swear he's not even trying now. Beneath the pretentious blather, it's just a mix of "no it's not" "yes it is" and "some women indulge this lie so all women should be forced to".

But then he's not here for an actual exchange. The purpose is to waste our time and energy and run some excellent posts down off the pages. And this is because, despite the ruinous and ridiculous current state of Australia, he knows, like Mr Tickle knows, that they can't actually win. Men are not women and can never be women and nobody on earth believes that they can.

That's why he's ploughing all this into it, trying to force us to believe it, because it's not enough that Australia and some women already pretend to believe it; it's a total falsehood and so they can't stand to have anyone break the spell. They can't make men into women and they can't make anyone believe men are women. All they can do is create a sufficiently coercive, oppressive and abusive environment so that nobody actually dares say it.

Hence... this.

Readers Note:

Always check any claim of support for people with transgender identities against the data and check the question that was asked. The falsehood appears quite regularly that claims that a segment of the population ‘support trans people’ and of course, on a very superficial level this is true.

It is important because when further questions are asked that specifically question the support of male people being included in female single sex provisions the results change dramatically. Even amongst the 18-24 year old segment which people so often use as a call to future support.

It is also important that when these attitudes are tracked, the support is declining. This is consistent with several different countries.

General blanket claims that the majority of a group of the general population ‘support people with transgender identities’ are so misleading as to have become meaningless in light of the answers to specific questions.

Your attempt at discrediting the prisoner stats is weak and unsubstantiated and requires an intense amount of disconnected thinking that a sub group of male people who have shown the same male criminal pattern behaviour in the prison statistics will not show that pattern in the ‘offending’ statistics if they could ever be collected.

You and others can continue to attempt to discredit the prisoner statistics with that distraction of trying to say offending rates might be miraculously lower despite the conviction and incarceration rates saying it is not. And people can point out that your point is not logical and you can describe no reason at all as to why the offending rate would be lower than the pattern of the prison figures indicate.

Then we can get back onto pointing out the pattern in prisoner statistics which also is not solely a UK statistical pattern.

We do have enough meaningful data to support the conclusion that male people with transgender identities do not commit sex offences at the same rate or lower than female people in the UK.

On that basis, it would be a failure in safeguarding to treat that male group as if they were special and that they should not be treated as if they were like all other male people. We have learned this throughout history. No special male groups set aside for special treatment above the age of a child.

I know, right. Pity AI doesn't know about Germaine Greer or Sheila Jeffreys. Or LAG or anything lesbian/female in between.

Gretel now resorting to GenAI for help with responses. Still not making logical arguments though. GC brownshirts FFS. Hyperbole off the scale. Right, onto another thread.

Oh is that why the Lesbian Action Group didn't bother to go to court to hold female only events? I see. Oh hang on...

Lesbians, particularly in Australia have a diverse view on trans women with most reportedly in support of them so its inaccurate to assert their total resistance.

Grass roots concern?

The reason lesbians picked up on this earlier than anyone is the behaviour of straight men towards lesbians who did not want them in lesbian spaces and who did not want to sleep with them. It is the reason there are pitifully few actual female and lesbian only spaces left.

Lesbians were writing about this decades ago.

Prison data is not an accurate account of offending as we know from most rapes not being reported not to mention the trans population being infinitesimal makes them statistically insignificant to draw meaningful conclusions about. It's the same reason why research conclusions on trans people is often criticised.

That's why relying on broad grass roots concerns matters.

“Trans women do” - that’s not what prison data shows. They commit violent assault at similar rates to men. Not women.

So your absence of evidence is not evidence of absence when there’s actual data that contradicts it.

See above comment.

The problem here is there's a false equivalence with this whole Icelandic men angle because they are still men. They don't vary behaviourally from other men generally because of their ethnicity so its irrelevant. Trans women it would appear do. The evidence? Trans women have long had access to women's spaces without any grass roots concern. Despite a deluge of top down manufactured media efforts it's still not a widespread concern nor electoral issue in Australia.

"But it is very odd to use aspects of being physically male as a characteristic of relevance to gender identity but not of sex."

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Could you elaborate?

I presume the point being made was OUTSIDE of Iceland, there are very few Icelandic men so if you do meet one, he’s not likely to assault you.

Like this: https://www.ruv.is/english/2025-12-29-icelander-held-in-colombia-over-sexual-assault-case-462508
Same as trans women: very few of them so unlikely to commit assault. See?

Icelander held in Colombia over sex assault

Many sports cater for positions suitable for smaller & larger players with in a team sport & have rules that mitigate injuries. In terms of talent, that's why particularly in football grading exists within age groups.