Giggle v Tickle Friday 15th May 2pm AEST

No harm done

And yet isn't the whole GC world view centred around being anti gender stereotypes? You can't have it both ways nor do you get to speak for all gender non conforming women.

How you deduced that from my comment is rather bizarre.

The comment was in reference to cis gender non conforming women being falsely accused of the wrong sex by enforcers of the new guidelines because they are 'guessing'.

In terms of trans identities using the ladies I imagine some will continue to do so because they sufficiently pass & as such can't be detected under 'sophisticated' gender stereotyping 'tracking' surveillance systems. This maybe illegal but to suggest it's 'predatory' is an irrational stretch.

Isn’t this a replay from back in August / September?

Are you telling us that male people with transgender identities are going to ignore the law and the policies where they apply and therefore act in a predatory way? Isn’t that transphobic of you?

Yeah? What's it got to do with? 'Xray vision'?

Oh that's right 'we can always tell'…. except you clearly can't according to gender non confirming women….& the new EHRC guidelines.

This is beyond silly.

Based on what?

Does a gender non conforming women have a different skeletal structure to a gender conforming woman?

No but the perception of the observer maybe based on it.

Do you think the physical differences between male and female bodies are gender stereotypes ?

Yeah? What's it got to do with? 'Xray vision'?

Oh that's right 'we can always tell'…. except you clearly can't according to gender non confirming women….& the new EHRC guidelines.

Being able to correctly identify a person’s sex category, regardless of what they are wearing and regardless of extreme body modification is nothing to do with gender stereotypes.

Unless providers are conducting gametal & chromosomal tests to meet their enforcement obligations then they have no other choice than using gender stereotypes.

Do you think the physical differences between male and female bodies are gender stereotypes ?

Do you think the physical differences between male and female bodies are gender stereotypes ?

Unless providers are conducting gametal & chromosomal tests to meet their enforcement obligations then they have no other choice than using gender stereotypes.

It is if you're using gender stereotypes to reach that conclusion.

How is recognising someone's sex based on gender stereotypes?

It is if you're using gender stereotypes to reach that conclusion.

Asking people to use the correct facilities for their sex is not gender policing

I am gender non conforming, I am also very tall, I have a deep voice for a woman. I can count the times I got challenged in the toilets on one hand. When I respond, women realise I am female. No harm done. So don't worry about gender non conforming women, we will be fine.

Besides, transwomen in my experience are very gender conforming, they ooze feminine stereotypes: long hair, short skirts, make up, the lot. I think if I conformed to gender stereotypes expected of my sex, I would probably get challenged more, if that makes sense? So I never understood this line of reasoning by transactivists.

Slapping people on the butt is illegal regardless of the sex or gender identity of the slappee.

"Slapping" was being used 'figuratively' here as in the gender policing boundary overreach.

People coped a lot better with gender nonconformity before some people started insisting stereotypes of masculinity or femininity are embedded into our psyche as a sacred identity that is so important we must never again mention the biological realities of the female sex

And yet that is what gender policing toilets is perpetuating . You can't have it both ways.

Indeed, non gender conforming cis women will 'just have to get used to having their butts slapped' by the gender stereotype loo police too.

Slapping people on the butt is illegal regardless of the sex or gender identity of the slappee.

"Slapping" was being used 'figuratively' here as in the gender policing boundary overreach.

People coped a lot better with gender nonconformity before some people started insisting stereotypes of masculinity or femininity are embedded into our psyche as a sacred identity that is so important we must never again mention the biological realities of the female sex

And yet that is what gender policing toilets is perpetuating . You can't have it both ways.