Giggle v Tickle Friday 15th May 2pm AEST

I'm seeing a lot of support for women on fb too. One poster commented that Roxanne's first name should have been Tess 😂

You mean something like this? When a man who claimed to be a woman insisted on playing women's Gaelic football?
The man concerned, his name is Giulia Valentino, but it could be Big Jason, couldn't it? said he'd ‘like to be remembered for leaving a legacy of inclusion for other transgender players'
and I'm more than happy to oblige him by sharing this photo as often as I can! What a legacy, Giulia!😏

I have a question for anyone in Australia.

I have been seeing stories and comments - mostly on Facebook - about this case, and it seems to me that it is a turning point, and that people are finally waking up to the outrageousness of Australian law and its lack of consideration and protections for women. There are also suggestions that at least some politicians want to change the law because of the ludicrous ruling.

Is this apparent change of heart actually happening, or is it just algorithms showing me what I want to hear?

It’s the exact same in the U.K. and Ireland though - and that’s exactly the same way that self ID was got through the Dáil, as the Denton document made clear: it was put through on the heels of popular legislation for same sex marriage.

The TDs just waved it through on a wave of happy clappy feelgood self congratulation (aren’t we all so progressive now?) and none of them did any hard work examining the possible downsides. Nor of course did the media.

Which is how we had at least two male psychopaths in female prisons just because they said they were women. Of course that only affected female prisoners and who cares about them, right?

I think in the long run Sall’s loss will turn out to be a pyrrhic victory for the trans lobby. It’s made the gutting of sex discrimination protections an election issue where most politicians didn’t care before.

It was the same with Maya’s case and For Women Scotland all the early losses resulted in a much stronger outcome than an earlier win.

My understanding is that the solution in Australia was always going to end up being political because politicians had wrecked the legislation in the first place. At least now everyone knows that and can’t pretend it’s just women misunderstanding.

Well, it’s gunna be an election issue now

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-16/opposition-leader-angus-taylor-vows-amend-sex-discrimination-act/106688258

I note that the government is playing the man, not the ball.

I think it is more a reflection on how much this affects a person's life. For the vast majority of women, it is not a day-to-day issue they have to deal with. Unless it is problem you have to personally deal with you are probably not even thinking about it.

Was transgenderism an electoral issue when Gillard erased women and their rights in law?

No, back in 2013, the debate was over gay marriage. I only found out about this change a year ago when I read it online.

Was transgenderism an electoral issue when Gillard erased women and their rights in law? Were Aussies clamouring for a legal change to get men in women's spaces?

I hope that it does become an electoral issue in time as the implications for women and girls become clearer. As women age and require hospital or at home care, the ability of men to overrule their right to have a woman (a real one, not a pretendy one) caring for them is just one example - there are longer term consequences of the rise in numbers of males who use their transgender status as a way to force their way into spaces they shouldn't be in that haven't really hit home yet.

It is a rather common occurrence that women are told that their issues are not important in comparison to all the other issues in the world. We have been told here in the UK that no one cares and there are bigger issues to deal with and no one will consider it important enough to vote for.

We are still told this. But importantly, we have been told this for years. And yet, women have been achieving things regardless.

Isn't that the real problem then? Women's rights don't really matter in Australia - even to many women?

There are many, many problems here in Australia at the moment. For most people, this one doesn't even rank in the top 100 in importance.

That's always been true of women's rights issues, though. They're always considered to be low priority, there are always far more important things we must fix first (how are any of those working out?), we're always told we can't do anything about women's rights until the world is perfect in every other respect.

Eventually enough shit gets exposed to get the required traction, though. And I'm no expert on Aussie law but if Gillard could fuck it up easily, can it be so hard to set right once the appetite and momentum is there?

There are many, many problems here in Australia at the moment. For most people, this one doesn't even rank in the top 100 in importance.

I find it difficult to believe that it's a little known culture wars subject.

I never said it was little known. Australian people know it is an issue and they tend to disagree with letting men into women's spaces. However they don't care enough to turn it into an electoral issue.

Not sure who created this but certainly gets the point across

https://x.com/HDealla/status/2055534063407292501?s=20

It is also a very very tricky subject to raise in Australia. I would not, and have not ever raised my gender critical views at any job I have had over the past 4 years.

Australia loves its sport. The images of Big Jason playing hockey with tiny women alone will peak millions.

they haven’t known this was happening - Sall came to the UK to try and get press because she couldn’t get anywhere to listen on Oz.

I find it difficult to believe that it's a little known culture wars subject. I was in Darwin 3 years ago, to join a ship. I was in a restaurant and overheard a scathing, angry conversation about it, between a mixed group of men and women.

(All anti)

Lie Thomas was in the news at the time. Onboard, it was a topic of conversation and our female chef said she wasn't getting i to a conversation about that shit - she hadn't heard about it, previously.

All the blokes said it was bullshit and cheating and they all supported actual single sex spaces. At that time, I thought I was in a minority of men who knew about it.

We know that males are disproportionately more of a risk to females than other females, which guarantees that a trans woman will assault a female in a single sex space.

The question for the leaders who are upholding this judgment is what is the threshold that needs to be reached for them to reverse the law. Simply, how many women will need to be affected, assaulted or raped before the law is protects them.

So how come Australian law apparently says otherwise (given Friday's judgment) and will no journalists ask the PM why he doesn't seem to know what his own laws say?

I was going to say that there are a number of Liberal party senators who have been upfront in their support. Claire Chandler was the first I noticed. Michaela Cash is another.

The ALP is noticeably silent though. I suspect that the factional power would be keeping Albo quiet on this, even if he did agree that the law needed changing. He will avoid avoid avoid unless it becomes a repeated question he faces in media and in parliament.

@SingleSexSpacesInSchools if we end up with a change of government in two years time, she will want to be Attorney General as she is currently shadowing the position.

However, she is a Senator so doesn’t actually have to work to win her seat. It’s getting a majority in the House of Reps that forms government. Winning those seats is a tricky thing. We have compulsory voting but also we aren’t first past the post - every box needs to be numbered in order of preference and those preferences get counted, too.

We have a historically number of independent members in both Houses currently so there is a lot of negotiation going on,

https://x.com/senatorcash/status/2055434872035086583?s=46

Clear election issue now for Australians. Dunno how important this MP is or when the election is though!

On a more general note for the Australians here, have you found this website before? https://theyvoteforyou.org.au/policies/214. I have linked the trans issue but there are plenty of issues one might be interested in.

I will have a look later and see if I can rearrange some of their statistics into date order and see if these last few years has made a change in voting patterns.

Can I just say that the Liberals are working on it. Quietly, yes, but putting in some solid work and, trust me, they are taking very good advice. It’s slow work but they have long known that Giggle v Tickle would go to the High Court and will wait for that judgement. Only then can they write a proposal for a law change.

I am not a Liberal apologist but I do live in a small town with a population of over 2 million. Someone you know always knows some who …

Yes. One of the reasons we are Terf Island is because we are small, concentrated and relatively speaking, everywhere is easily accessible.

It's stands to reason that it will take longer in a bigger country where the population is more spread out.