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Trans Green Party candidate with no British visa elected to Holyrood

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IwantToRetire · 10/05/2026 22:18

Q Manivannan, who identifies as non-binary, was elected as an MSP on the Edinburgh & Lothians East list for the pro-independence Scottish Greens.

It was reported earlier this week that the former PhD student has appealed to colleagues for £2,089 of funding for a temporary graduate visa.

This would give the anthropologist and poet a further three years to work and live in the UK, picking up the taxpayer-funded MSP salary of £77,711.

Manivannan is said to have told colleagues this would help buy time to save up the £5,047 cost of applying for a global talent visa, the UK immigration category for promising individuals in specific sectors.

The self-described “queer Tamil immigrant” was only able to stand in the election after SNP ministers loosened the rules over who could be a Holyrood candidate.

Full article https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/09/trans-green-party-candidate-migrant-elected-holyrood/
And at https://archive.is/LhZYy

Reform couldn't have dreamed for a better headline!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/09/trans-green-party-candidate-migrant-elected-holyrood

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Imdunfer · 12/06/2026 11:49

PrettyDamnCosmic · 12/06/2026 11:41

That may be the dictionary definition of a job but being an MSP or an MP is not a job in the sense of employment as the individuals are office holders. The Green bloke who is taking the piss couldn't apply for a work visa to be an MSP as it's not a job.

That was my point.

The poster was picked up for saying it was a job.

But all the criticism was about it not being employment when the original poster never even used the term.

It is a job, whether it's one that qualifies for a work visa or not. Lots of jobs don't qualify for work visas.

SwirlyGates · 12/06/2026 11:44

From Pam Gosal on Facebook:

"This is a person who may leave the UK before the Parliamentary term ends and who lied about his background.
He now thinks he can make laws for people who were born here and have lived here for decades by putting women at risk.
Q Manivannan and the Greens are out of step with public opinion.
Instead of listening to 51% of the population, they have decided to cater to 0.5%.
But let’s not forget that the SNP and Greens refuse to drop Nicola Sturgeon’s dangerous gender self-ID policies.
The Supreme Court made it clear that 'sex' refers to biological sex.
It's time Q Manivannan, the Greens and the SNP followed the law."

SwirlyGates · 12/06/2026 11:42

Ophir · 12/06/2026 11:27

See, this is what I thought, but why would a they/them have any (even spurious) requirement to be in the women’s toilets?

he looks like a man, why would there be an issue in the gents?

Even by current standards this is bamboozling

He's probably making a point on behalf of Iris Duane (who won't want to do it themselves in case they are outed...). Oh, and grandstanding.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 12/06/2026 11:41

Imdunfer · 12/06/2026 11:04

It is a job.

"A job is a regular activity or specific position in which a person engages to earn money. "

That may be the dictionary definition of a job but being an MSP or an MP is not a job in the sense of employment as the individuals are office holders. The Green bloke who is taking the piss couldn't apply for a work visa to be an MSP as it's not a job.

Imdunfer · 12/06/2026 11:28

Differentforgirls · 12/06/2026 11:25

Well that's your opinion.

Well actually it's the dictionary definition of "job", which is the word the poster used.

Ophir · 12/06/2026 11:27

OldCrone · 12/06/2026 11:22

Yes, he's a man, but he self IDs as having a special identity. It makes him special and gives everyone else the opportunity to fawn over him and bow to his special status. He says his pronouns are they/them, but really they're me/me/me.

See, this is what I thought, but why would a they/them have any (even spurious) requirement to be in the women’s toilets?

he looks like a man, why would there be an issue in the gents?

Even by current standards this is bamboozling

Differentforgirls · 12/06/2026 11:25

Imdunfer · 12/06/2026 11:24

The word used was "job" not employment.

It's a job.

I don't enploy the guys in my garden laying paving slabs. They are still doing a job for me.

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Well that's your opinion.

Imdunfer · 12/06/2026 11:24

Differentforgirls · 12/06/2026 11:16

"While MSPs work long hours—splitting their time between debating at Holyrood and managing constituency issues—the law treats the role as public service rather than standard employment. Because of this legal classification, serving as an MSP does not constitute "work" in the traditional sense, allowing individuals on certain temporary visas to hold the position".

The word used was "job" not employment.

It's a job.

I don't enploy the guys in my garden laying paving slabs. They are still doing a job for me.

OldCrone · 12/06/2026 11:22

Ophir · 12/06/2026 11:18

Just as an aside, I’m unsure as why he’s a they, and going on about his toilet needs: he’s a man, isn’t he?? I’m not understanding all this

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Yes, he's a man, but he self IDs as having a special identity. It makes him special and gives everyone else the opportunity to fawn over him and bow to his special status. He says his pronouns are they/them, but really they're me/me/me.

Ophir · 12/06/2026 11:18

Just as an aside, I’m unsure as why he’s a they, and going on about his toilet needs: he’s a man, isn’t he?? I’m not understanding all this

OldCrone · 12/06/2026 11:17

Imdunfer · 12/06/2026 11:04

It is a job.

"A job is a regular activity or specific position in which a person engages to earn money. "

He is not eligible for a skilled worker visa as MSPs and other elected officers are specifically excluded (2nd job listed in this table):

Skilled Worker visa: eligible occupations and codes - GOV.UK

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He is eligible to apply for a graduate visa, but this would only be for up to 3 years and the term of office for MSPs is 5 years.

He could apply for a global talent visa (for the full 5 years), but he might be unsuccessful.

Trans Green Party candidate with no British visa elected to Holyrood
Differentforgirls · 12/06/2026 11:16

Imdunfer · 12/06/2026 11:04

It is a job.

"A job is a regular activity or specific position in which a person engages to earn money. "

"While MSPs work long hours—splitting their time between debating at Holyrood and managing constituency issues—the law treats the role as public service rather than standard employment. Because of this legal classification, serving as an MSP does not constitute "work" in the traditional sense, allowing individuals on certain temporary visas to hold the position".

OldCrone · 12/06/2026 11:08

Igneococcus · 12/06/2026 06:42

"A Green MSP has dismissed women’s concerns about single-sex spaces because men can also be victims of sexual assault."
https://www.thetimes.com/article/6a68c8e1-e6b7-4389-a4fd-f9396a985edf?shareToken=197730838260ded8e9a365ec2c11c217&ver=article

Discussing access to single-sex spaces, Manivannan told The Herald: “I have had constituents writing to me on all sides of the opinion, but also women, cis women, who have for a very long time said: ‘I am not in fact threatened by trans women in my toilets. I am threatened by men and the violence that I face from them’.

This is totally incoherent since trans women are men.

“There are men who are survivors of sexual assault [by men] including friends of mine. In that case, why don’t we ban men from men’s bathroom spaces?”

He's comparing banning men from spaces where they don't belong with banning them from ones where they do and pretending there is no difference between these actions. Does he not realise how ridiculous this makes him look?

Imdunfer · 12/06/2026 11:04

PrettyDamnCosmic · 24/05/2026 08:00

  • the job offer is almost triple the minimum income and is community service oriented

Being an MSP is not employment. An MSP is an office holder not a worker.

It is a job.

"A job is a regular activity or specific position in which a person engages to earn money. "

SwirlyGates · 12/06/2026 10:38

And there he is sitting next to Nevens in her keffiyeh. FFS. Is the weird pink and green thing he is wearing some kind of statement as well? I can't keep up.

Ophir · 12/06/2026 07:53

I saw this. And it’s us who are meant to be obsessed with toilets 🙈

It is totally outrageous that a newly elected MSP is starting off by asking that the law of the land be broken

Something needs to be done about the list system so that at the very least voters can really see what their vote will get them

Chersfrozenface · 26/05/2026 18:10

Namingbaba · 26/05/2026 17:56

It's so stupid. Surely it would be close to impossible for a starving Indian to end up studying in the UK and especially to do PhD studies. It's hard for a working class student to do a PhD especially in a subject that's not going to lead to an obvious high earning job.

Yes, who was paying his fees and living expenses?

Namingbaba · 26/05/2026 17:56

It's so stupid. Surely it would be close to impossible for a starving Indian to end up studying in the UK and especially to do PhD studies. It's hard for a working class student to do a PhD especially in a subject that's not going to lead to an obvious high earning job.

KnottyAuty · 26/05/2026 09:12

I wonder how those who contributed to the visa crowdfunder are now feeling?

Ophir · 24/05/2026 10:47

I’m beginning to think the Scottish Greens are actually a Reform plant

lcakethereforeIam · 24/05/2026 10:20

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SwirlyGates · 24/05/2026 09:48

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/05/2026 23:09

The laddie cannot help where his parents sent him to school, but it is his choice to work for Essai and Discover and it is his choice to lie about his past.

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Very stupid of him to lie as it was obviously going to come out.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 24/05/2026 08:00

SummerFeverVenice · 23/05/2026 15:26

😂😆
“Deported in mere months”, “precarious visa situation” if those are not lies, then you really haven’t a clue as to how visas work.

Dr Q’s not likely to be deported as they far exceed the requirements to attain a graduate visa

  • they graduated and are in the highly skilled category
  • the job offer is almost triple the minimum income and is community service oriented
  • fluent in English
  • not a criminal
  • self sufficient and paying tax
  • integrated into British culture

Their visa situation is not at all precarious, it is yawningly normal 🥱

It isn’t their fault Scotland’s laws allowed them to stand for election and they were picked by a major UK political party as a candidate. It’s not like the rules were changed just for them.

  • the job offer is almost triple the minimum income and is community service oriented

Being an MSP is not employment. An MSP is an office holder not a worker.

Ophir · 23/05/2026 23:10

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/05/2026 23:09

The laddie cannot help where his parents sent him to school, but it is his choice to work for Essai and Discover and it is his choice to lie about his past.

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Exactly