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Trans Green Party candidate with no British visa elected to Holyrood

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IwantToRetire · 10/05/2026 22:18

Q Manivannan, who identifies as non-binary, was elected as an MSP on the Edinburgh & Lothians East list for the pro-independence Scottish Greens.

It was reported earlier this week that the former PhD student has appealed to colleagues for £2,089 of funding for a temporary graduate visa.

This would give the anthropologist and poet a further three years to work and live in the UK, picking up the taxpayer-funded MSP salary of £77,711.

Manivannan is said to have told colleagues this would help buy time to save up the £5,047 cost of applying for a global talent visa, the UK immigration category for promising individuals in specific sectors.

The self-described “queer Tamil immigrant” was only able to stand in the election after SNP ministers loosened the rules over who could be a Holyrood candidate.

Full article https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/09/trans-green-party-candidate-migrant-elected-holyrood/
And at https://archive.is/LhZYy

Reform couldn't have dreamed for a better headline!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/09/trans-green-party-candidate-migrant-elected-holyrood

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nutmeg7 · 16/06/2026 08:02

SwirlyGates · 15/06/2026 19:50

"This year, Pride s a tough one for many, though, as instead of a celebration of how far we’ve come it is – for trans people in particular – a time to fight against the loss of rights the community has suffered in recent years." So says Alys Mumford, described as "Scottish Green councillor for Portobello/Craigmillar and Edinburgh and Greens co-convenor and spokesperson for Equality". (4 legs good, 2 legs bad kind of equality I suppose).

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/this-june-pride-month-is-tough-for-many-alys-mumford-8688766

Oh dear, 😫😫😫 a bleeding heart sob story doesn’t mean what she says is correct. That’s not actual evidence!

Trans people NEVER had the RIGHT to use toilets or anything else reserved for the opposite sex.

Stonewall told them they could, but that didn’t make it true. They just did it anyway without thought for the other users.

Now the law has been clarified, it turns out FEMALE PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS TOO.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 15/06/2026 20:15

SwirlyGates · 15/06/2026 19:50

"This year, Pride s a tough one for many, though, as instead of a celebration of how far we’ve come it is – for trans people in particular – a time to fight against the loss of rights the community has suffered in recent years." So says Alys Mumford, described as "Scottish Green councillor for Portobello/Craigmillar and Edinburgh and Greens co-convenor and spokesperson for Equality". (4 legs good, 2 legs bad kind of equality I suppose).

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/this-june-pride-month-is-tough-for-many-alys-mumford-8688766

I would LOVE an eye roll emoji for that information.

Alys clearly hasn’t got a clue.

BrookStreamRiverlet · 15/06/2026 20:05

I wonder what the green party leaders think of all the reporting on Green Party news coming from this latecomer?

SwirlyGates · 15/06/2026 19:50

Shortshriftandlethal · 15/06/2026 16:16

It has never been legal for males to enter designated 'women only' facilities. 'Being banned' is suggestive of a right that has been removed; whereas this was a right which never existed. It was the rights of women and girls which had been infringed.

"This year, Pride s a tough one for many, though, as instead of a celebration of how far we’ve come it is – for trans people in particular – a time to fight against the loss of rights the community has suffered in recent years." So says Alys Mumford, described as "Scottish Green councillor for Portobello/Craigmillar and Edinburgh and Greens co-convenor and spokesperson for Equality". (4 legs good, 2 legs bad kind of equality I suppose).

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/this-june-pride-month-is-tough-for-many-alys-mumford-8688766

Shortshriftandlethal · 15/06/2026 16:16

LoremIpsumCici · 12/06/2026 22:10

No, he is calling for Holyrood to lift the ban. It’s part of the job of a lawmaker to propose changes to laws.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/26183814.manivannan-urges-holyrood-bosses-lift-trans-toilet-ban/?ref=rss

I don’t agree with him at all, but to imply he is advocating breaking the law or disobeying it without evidence is dishonest.

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It has never been legal for males to enter designated 'women only' facilities. 'Being banned' is suggestive of a right that has been removed; whereas this was a right which never existed. It was the rights of women and girls which had been infringed.

Womanofcustard · 15/06/2026 16:00

Expect more of this when children are allowed to vote.

OldCrone · 15/06/2026 15:33

LoremIpsumCici · 12/06/2026 21:19

I looked at the quote history and there was no mention of a skilled worker visa.
I read the parts of the thread I missed and that poster repeatedly referred to this job meeting the income requirements for a graduate visa.

It's never been disputed that he's eligible for a graduate visa. With a PhD, he is eligible for a 3-year graduate visa which can't be extended. This is not long enough to see out his full term of 5 years as an MSP. He would need to obtain another type of visa to complete the term. He's not eligible for a skilled worker visa, so he'd need to get another type of visa for those 2 years such as a global talent visa, and he may be unsuccessful.

There are no income requirements for a graduate visa. He just needs to pay the application fee of £937 and an annual health surcharge of £1035. Because the PP was talking about income requirements, I assumed they were referring to a skilled worker visa, where there are income requirements, and had incorrectly referred to it as a graduate visa.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 15/06/2026 14:58

Hoardasurass · 15/06/2026 14:06

Equality law is outwith the preview of the Scottish parliament so he cant propose changes to it, what he is trying to do is have the Scottish parliament ignore and/or breach the equality act and actively discriminate against women

Oops cross post.

Amazing how desperate some people are to defend this ridiculous situation and his appalling behaviour.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 15/06/2026 14:57

Ophir · 12/06/2026 22:23

It’s not a ban, it’s the law

he’s asking Holyrood to ignore the law

They can’t “lift the ban”, that’s not a thing

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Exactly. It’s not even their law to change either as I think the court established.

Hoardasurass · 15/06/2026 14:06

LoremIpsumCici · 12/06/2026 22:10

No, he is calling for Holyrood to lift the ban. It’s part of the job of a lawmaker to propose changes to laws.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/26183814.manivannan-urges-holyrood-bosses-lift-trans-toilet-ban/?ref=rss

I don’t agree with him at all, but to imply he is advocating breaking the law or disobeying it without evidence is dishonest.

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Equality law is outwith the preview of the Scottish parliament so he cant propose changes to it, what he is trying to do is have the Scottish parliament ignore and/or breach the equality act and actively discriminate against women

SwirlyGates · 13/06/2026 12:23

Ophir · 12/06/2026 22:23

It’s not a ban, it’s the law

he’s asking Holyrood to ignore the law

They can’t “lift the ban”, that’s not a thing

Edited

His stance suggests he knows nothing about the trials and tribulations of trans ideology in the Scottish Parliament, never mind the legal position.

IoannahJo · 13/06/2026 12:17

SwirlyGates · 12/06/2026 11:44

From Pam Gosal on Facebook:

"This is a person who may leave the UK before the Parliamentary term ends and who lied about his background.
He now thinks he can make laws for people who were born here and have lived here for decades by putting women at risk.
Q Manivannan and the Greens are out of step with public opinion.
Instead of listening to 51% of the population, they have decided to cater to 0.5%.
But let’s not forget that the SNP and Greens refuse to drop Nicola Sturgeon’s dangerous gender self-ID policies.
The Supreme Court made it clear that 'sex' refers to biological sex.
It's time Q Manivannan, the Greens and the SNP followed the law."

Love Pam Gosal. Such a loss to the SP (and I’m not a Tory). She is an absolute champion for women and girls.

Ophir · 12/06/2026 22:23

LoremIpsumCici · 12/06/2026 22:10

No, he is calling for Holyrood to lift the ban. It’s part of the job of a lawmaker to propose changes to laws.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/26183814.manivannan-urges-holyrood-bosses-lift-trans-toilet-ban/?ref=rss

I don’t agree with him at all, but to imply he is advocating breaking the law or disobeying it without evidence is dishonest.

Edited

It’s not a ban, it’s the law

he’s asking Holyrood to ignore the law

They can’t “lift the ban”, that’s not a thing

LoremIpsumCici · 12/06/2026 22:10

Ophir · 12/06/2026 22:03

He’s not asking for a change, he’s saying to disobey it

No, he is calling for Holyrood to lift the ban. It’s part of the job of a lawmaker to propose changes to laws.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/26183814.manivannan-urges-holyrood-bosses-lift-trans-toilet-ban/?ref=rss

I don’t agree with him at all, but to imply he is advocating breaking the law or disobeying it without evidence is dishonest.

Q Manivannan appeals to Holyrood bosses to lift trans toilet ban

Scottish Greens MSP Q Manivannan has urged Holyrood to lift its ban on trans people using toilets in their lived gender in the building.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/26183814.manivannan-urges-holyrood-bosses-lift-trans-toilet-ban/?ref=rss

Ophir · 12/06/2026 22:03

LoremIpsumCici · 12/06/2026 21:23

Not at all astonishing, every day members of parliaments all over stand up and advocate for a change in the law. As the legislative powers who write laws and overturn or edit already passed laws, it is part of their job.

The assisted dying bill was a case of hundreds of MPs standing up and asking to change or ‘break’ the law banning euthanasia.

Tory and Reform MPs have recently stood up and asked parliament to ‘break’ the laws that give women the right to an abortion.

They have asked to ´break’ the laws that guarantee workers rights to overtime pay or to not be sacked if pregnant.

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He’s not asking for a change, he’s saying to disobey it

LoremIpsumCici · 12/06/2026 21:23

Imdunfer · 12/06/2026 15:38

It's quite astonishing, isn't it? An MP standing in Parliament advocating breaking the law.

Not at all astonishing, every day members of parliaments all over stand up and advocate for a change in the law. As the legislative powers who write laws and overturn or edit already passed laws, it is part of their job.

The assisted dying bill was a case of hundreds of MPs standing up and asking to change or ‘break’ the law banning euthanasia.

Tory and Reform MPs have recently stood up and asked parliament to ‘break’ the laws that give women the right to an abortion.

They have asked to ´break’ the laws that guarantee workers rights to overtime pay or to not be sacked if pregnant.

LoremIpsumCici · 12/06/2026 21:19

OldCrone · 12/06/2026 11:59

The other poster was picked up for saying that Q had a job which would make him eligible for a skilled worker visa. That poster was wrong.

I looked at the quote history and there was no mention of a skilled worker visa.
I read the parts of the thread I missed and that poster repeatedly referred to this job meeting the income requirements for a graduate visa.

Imdunfer · 12/06/2026 15:38

Ophir · 12/06/2026 13:15

Whatever his official status he’s suggesting the parliament breaks the law.

That’s the point, not stupid nitpicking to distract from the actual issue

It's quite astonishing, isn't it? An MP standing in Parliament advocating breaking the law.

Imdunfer · 12/06/2026 15:36

OldCrone · 12/06/2026 11:59

The other poster was picked up for saying that Q had a job which would make him eligible for a skilled worker visa. That poster was wrong.

Perhaps the person who wrote that answer should have written more clearly that they were not picking on the terminology of employment versus job, but were pointing out that the job doesn't actually qualify for a skilled worker visa. That was not at all clear.

ChequerToRed · 12/06/2026 13:30

In every photo I’ve seen of him, he just drips arrogance

Ophir · 12/06/2026 13:17

And I’m sure his constituents have more pressing issues needing dealt with than where he wants to pee. Madness, these people are so fucking grandiose

Ophir · 12/06/2026 13:15

Whatever his official status he’s suggesting the parliament breaks the law.

That’s the point, not stupid nitpicking to distract from the actual issue

PrettyDamnCosmic · 12/06/2026 12:11

OldCrone · 12/06/2026 11:59

The other poster was picked up for saying that Q had a job which would make him eligible for a skilled worker visa. That poster was wrong.

The other poster was picked up for saying that Q had a job which would make him eligible for a skilled worker visa. That poster was wrong.

Apparently it's pedantry to point that out.😀

OldCrone · 12/06/2026 11:59

Imdunfer · 12/06/2026 11:49

That was my point.

The poster was picked up for saying it was a job.

But all the criticism was about it not being employment when the original poster never even used the term.

It is a job, whether it's one that qualifies for a work visa or not. Lots of jobs don't qualify for work visas.

The other poster was picked up for saying that Q had a job which would make him eligible for a skilled worker visa. That poster was wrong.

Imdunfer · 12/06/2026 11:50

The award for pedantry is certainly going to this thread so far today!

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