Town Vs Country and believing in GI.

Luckily no one on here is a biologist or vet then isn't it? Oh wait

Country farming folk are often closer to the complexities of biology, vets are highly educated and know the evidence trail for what we likely know and don't know. We don't know how the brain develops, or why behaviours form across the sexes.
So they are less likely to demand that some people's thoughts, feelings and behaviour are categorically false.
If you believe you know better, then wow. Write a paper present your evidence. People with doubts are not wrong, people with certainties often are.

This is false. We do not know the specific medical diagnosis of Imane Khelif's DSD. While the discredited IBA claimed she has XY chromosomes, they never disclosed the exact test results. There has been speculation that it could be 5-alpha reductase deficiency (5-ARD), but no specific condition has ever been confirmed by Khelif or the IOC or any other source.

This is also irrelevant to the thread topic.

Thanks for being so precise where I was imprecise.

Thanks to interviews, lab reports and medical file excerpts published by various independent journalists, we know that Khelif has an XY karyotype, the SRY gene, male-typical levels of testosterone, and was diagnosed with 5-alpha reductase deficiency (5-ARD), a disorder of sex development that only affects males.

Affected individuals have malformed external genitalia and internal testes. These produce testosterone which means that Khelif and others with the same condition (e.g. Caster Semenya) go through an otherwise normal male puberty, and therefore have male physiological advantage in sports.

Which is why it's so controversial that these athletes have been permitted to compete in women's sports, as it is unfair to female athletes and, in the case of contact sports like boxing, unsafe.

Ah yes, your hilarious joke about the emotional support hamster. Is it your normal when you encounter a trans person to try to belittle them?

I suggest stroking a small animal.

Amazingly enough, access to the caps key persists with age. If anything, I think using the caps key to indicate shouting is a bit uncool with actual young people these days, they have emojis for that now. I admit I did lose my temper, but the person I replied to was being really disingenous.

And yet astonishingly this quiet group of people who just want to quietly live their life have managed to persuade - checks notes - political parties, the civil service, the BBC, the NHS, local government, pretty much every large charity, most of the big finance and legal firms and universities that they are the most marginalised and vulnerable group ever and that language, policy abd practice must be rewritten to accommodate them

good thing they're so quiet and just want ti live their life eh? God knows what they would have done if they had really wanted ti change things

Really, 45, eh? Oh well, I do understand that the old perimenopause can make a woman feel A BIT SHOUTY IN CAPS. Much like a teenager really.

Honestly, in the real world few people care as deeply as people online.

Most people are able to share the world with trans people and refer to them respectfully without believing that people change sex. Most trans people and just trying to get on with their lives and have no interest in parading naked around changing rooms and forcing their way into women's sport.

My mistake, Y-chromosome.
I'll take my leave.

In my (admittedly not terribly extensive) experience of vets, the small animal practice ones tend to be less hard-arsed than the large animal vets.

My DC had a fairly rural upbringing, seeing plenty of lambs, foals, puppies etc, but there has been some succumbing to the gender woo - internet, school and uni.

YOU BROUGHT UP HER GENITALS FIRST NO ONE ELSE DID.

I'm 45.

No, sex test results will do just fine.
It's the trans community always banging on about genital inspections, in sport, changing rooms/toilets.

No need to check any genitalia, that's your peccadillo not mine since you keep mentioning it.

No, you mentioned it. From your earlier comment: "then, whoops, those male genitalia are starting to show". You have absolutely no idea what Khelif's genitals look like, and anything you have to say about them is nothing more than your personal fantasy.

No, Khelif admitting publicly he posseses the X chromosome.

You also possess an X chromosome. Everybody possesses an X chromosome. Do you need to go and do some biology revision?

Kinda relevant in the ring punching women.

But not in the least bit relevant to this thread, which is about trans people in rural communities, which is another reason I've been trying not to be drawn into the subject despite your determination to derail.

Yes, a familiar 'voice'. I also forgot that it's exam season and there's a bunch of teenagers stuck in their bedrooms on study leave.

I mean, it would be surprising if I'm the first person to point out that sharing your fantasies about the development of the genitalia of total strangers is both weird and a little crass.

No need to check any genitalia.
No, Khelif admitting publicly he posseses the X chromosome.
That's two sex tests running.
You know about males with a DSD?
Kinda relevant in the ring punching women.

The style is verrry familiar isn't it

There's nothing "good faith" about making up facts about the body of a total stranger. The "good faith" option is admitting when you don't know enough about something to assert an opinion, you should try this sometime, definitely in preference to announcing your fantasies about the genitalia of someone you've read about in the media.

This is absolutely pointless, you can't argue in good faith. Life's too short to talk to you. But you carry on wittering about mammals sex being on a spectrum, hidden genitalia etc, to make your highly partisan point.

I'm not being "coy", I'm not privy to any non-public information about Khelif's biology or life history, and nor are you, and yet you feel qualified to make announcements about what her genitals look like and when they developed which are pure - and rather unpleasant - speculation of the kind I'm not prepared to engage in.