How do we address men’s violence against women as an epidemic?

I was thinking about this the othet other day.

I was thinking:

Why WOULDN'T men rape and hit women. Men are physically stronger than women. They can hurt and rape women, so they will.

They are not going to stop.

It is the same in the animal kingdom. The bigger animals hurt the smaller animals.

What we could do: is have more islands that are female only, where women can go for a female only holiday. I would like that.

Currently in Germany there is debate because if a man murders a woman he was (or had been) in a relationship with, because he was jealous his crime is no longer murder but accidental death. And his sentence will be less because "jealousy altered his mental state"

Source? Because that doesn’t sound very plausible.

The default position that the man moves away - if that makes it difficult because of his job and support network? Tough.

Odd sounds just like what I wrote and you called a derailment:
‘-I think too they should be moved to another part of the country so they have a chance at starting fresh and so their victims don’t ever have to see them again. (Why should a victim have to move and leave their job, their friends?)’

What i would like to see: more funds to police to focus specifically on this.
So you are advocating reaction instead of prevention of violence. Very interesting take.

Whereas my post on let’s pay attention to animal cruelty because boys and men that go on to abuse girls and women usually start with animals is about prevention of violence against women because that teen boy that tortures neighbourhood cats or is seen air gunning rats is already starting to be violent.

It isn’t a derailment to suggest ways to prevent violence against women.

Dearest angry herring,
I have been on the thread since the start and it is about *men’s violence against women as an epidemic and *This is an epidemic but how do we address it?

When we look at violence from a epidemiological perspective and take into account the numerous epidemiological studies done on violence we indeed do have to widen our lens in order to understand the root causes of men’s violence against women.

My posts are not a derailment, because we cannot address violence of men against women without considering violence as a whole and how it acts similarly to an infectious disease within the entire human population. The use of ‘epidemic’ is not just meant to highlight seriousness of the issue, it is also a very real comparison to any lethal disease like the bubonic plague. I would recommend you read some of the studies I have linked upthread which have fascinating research into violence, the vectors of transmission, and how it can persist intergenerationally.

this thread is specifically about male violence against women.

There are at least 3 "but women do it too" or "but men hurt men too" derailers.

If you care so much about it, start a separate conversation, i have a lot of thoughts on that subject.

But right now we are talking about male violence against women.

What i would like to see: more funds to police to focus specifically on this.
more funds for support for women leaving violent or abusive relationships

The default position that the man moves away - if that makes it difficult because of his job and support network? Tough.

Femicide to be an actual crime, with enhanced sentencing.

Currently in Germany there is debate because if a man murders a woman he was (or had been) in a relationship with, because he was jealous his crime is no longer murder but accidental death. And his sentence will be less because "jealousy altered his mental state"

with respect: bore off with your tripe

In my post at 10:32 I meant to say they are not released into a do crime or..

Yes I agree. The problem is violence in all forms against everyone. I think too that some violent men start on animals before moving up to humans so we need to take animal cruelty more seriously and intervene at that point with the aim t9 prevent violence escalating to children, women, or other men.

Nicer detention centres that provide
-therapy as most offenders have a history of being victims of abuse themselves,
-careers training and day releases/halfway houses so they are released into a do crime or starve on the streets when they finish their sentence. Crime peaks in the autumn because homeless know if they get a custodial sentence they get ´3 hots and a cot’ (3 meals and a warm bed) so likely to survive the winter.
-I think too they should be moved to another part of the country so they have a chance at starting fresh and so their victims don’t ever have to see them again. (Why should a victim have to move and leave their job, their friends?)

Additionally, some women are housed a long way away from their jobs, support network, childrens schools, and family and friends - and often in 'hard to let' areas/housing with high rates of drug and violence issues. Some women do need to move away due to the risk from their ex. Many, however, don't although might need a different part of their county/city/town. They're moved away purely because their housing need is seen as a financial burden by their LA.

So we have a situation where vulnerable traumatised women are isolated in 'problem' areas and constantly in the same state of hypervigilance as during the domestic abuse. Then they're written off as "mentally ill" or in desperation return to their abusive exes.

Unless and until the issues in this post and my above post are acknowledged and addressed, domestic abuse will continue to destroy many lives.

With domestic abuse specifically, one of the main issues is the majority of focus and funding is on short term measures - refuges and the police. Quality of and access to help is also very postcode dependent.

Particularly problematic is post separation abuse. It's too often dismissed or ignored. We hear the statistic, that it takes a woman on average 7 attempts to leave. This is directly linked to the barriers they face accessing post separation housing, financial help, and better support with family court.

Many women leave their ex but not the abuse. They face years of post separation abuse via family court and/or housing/economically.

I know one woman who approached her local authority for housing after refuge. She was told to go to a refuge...

Another woman's ex was arrested and removed from the home. But she ended up struggling to afford it herself and nearly ended up homeless. Her local authority didn't want to help citing she was no longer fleeing domestic abuse. She managed to find a solicitor through her local DA service but access to that help is pot luck. Some women are left without, and even if they can find a solicitor, they then face barriers to obtaining legal aid.

I saw this article this morning.

"While no single factor can fully explain a city's declining homicide rate, officials assert that the Oakland Ceasefire-Lifeline program has been pivotal, making a tangible difference one person at a time.

Homicide rates have seen a significant decline in major US cities recently, but Oakland's reduction has been particularly striking. The city of approximately 400,000 people has not recorded such low homicide rates since 1967, a year marked by the powerful presence of the Black Panthers and the Summer of Love in nearby San Francisco."

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/oakland-murder-homicide-rate-lowest-b2967001.html

It makes sense to offer support for non-violence. The program seems to lower violence rates but I wish they would have statistics for those who enter the program vs those who don't.

AI summary of the program
Key Components of the Strategy
Targeted Outreach: City officials analyse data weekly to identify individuals most likely to be involved in gun violence.

Lifeline Coaches: "Life Coaches" provide intensive, personalised support, connecting clients to resources such as job training, housing assistance, and education.

Call-Ins/Custom Notifications: A combination of community members (clergy, survivors) and police meet with high-risk individuals to deliver a "message of hope" and support, alongside a clear message about the consequences of continued violence.

Partnership: The program involves a coalition of the Oakland Police Department, the Department of Violence Prevention (DVP), community-based organisations, and community leaders.

Results and Impact
Homicide Reduction: After being revitalised in 2024, the program helped reduce homicides from 118 in 2023 to 78 in 2024, falling further to 57 in 2025—a six-decade low.

Long-Term Success: Evaluation of the 2012–2017 program showed that 32% of a 43% reduction in homicides was directly attributed to this strategy.

Ongoing Success (2026): As of early May 2026, the strategy continues to show effectiveness, with homicides and shootings remaining at historic lows following a reinvigoration of the program in 2024.

The program focuses heavily on offering help before resorting to law enforcement intervention.
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I think London has a similar program
https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/communities-and-social-justice/londons-violence-reduction-unit-vru

I think Glasgow had a similar program. https://www.cirv.co.uk

I have no idea, but I think we can agree that they shouldn't have died.

To be clearer: ministry of justice data-

"2019 Data:
76 out of 129 trans women (approx. 59%) had at least one conviction for a sexual offense.

2024 Data:
Of 245 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as male (representing transgender women/non-binary in male prisons), 151 were convicted of a sexual offence.

Comparison: This is considerably higher than the 16.8% of male prisoners and 3.3% of female prisoners convicted of sexual offences"

There is increasing amounts of data because the trans inmate population is itself increasing so it's becoming a measurable demographic from what I have been able to read so far.

They are starting to record legal sex at birth as well as chosen identity [I always get the terms and acronyms wrong so I won't use them in case I make a mistake]

The point I tried to make above, is that actual XY chromosomes in the trans inmates seem at least to follow a male offending pattern in offences overall (or increased rate of sexual offences compared to non trans).

It's not the construct of gender, it's biological sex

The problem is that male offenders are being recorded as female because either before or after the crime they have claimed to be women. I don't think we can rely on the stats.

The stats (official stats, UK gov data) reports suggest that male born trans people retain a male pattern of homicide and assaults irrespective of their current identity, it's their natal state which determines the likelihood of offending/seriousness of the offence etc and seems to be in line with male offending overall.

No pile ons please. Not my words just the data.

How many of the 186 men killed by female partners were actually killed by men who claim to be women?

Agreed pp. Just building on your point and also to dig deeper behind that statistics

In more than three quarters of those cases where a female killed a male partner, there was previously reported DV where she was the victim.

In a radio 4 programme not long ago, they looked into the population of female inmates in the criminal justice system- some were black and blue from being so badly beaten, yet they were arrested and processed as the criminal.

I'm not diminishing that there is female violence, but the sheer scale of the power imbalance and the patriarchy in MVAWG is such that it's not a like with like comparison by any stretch.

No pile on please I'm not defending anyone. This is just statistically the case.

& of those 186 men killed by female partners-how many of those women had suffered abuse from the man they ended up killing? Women can suffer years of SA and violence before they fight back.

Try not to hijack a thread about violence against women. I agree violence against men happens too, but over a 10 year period 840 women were killed by male partners as opposed to 186 men killed by female partners.

So maybe a separate thread for your valid concerns would be better?

Here is an incident I remember well and was committed in my county.

One of the things that could be done is more support and a much higher profile for men like this who have lost a mother and a sister at the hands of their father and are trying to do something about it.

I had to go digging for the information as I could not remember their names but I am fairly sure there are other men working at this, so why don't they get much publicity?

www.positive.news/society/how-two-survivors-of-domestic-violence-found-meaning-from-tragedy/

As for porn, it's not just a subset of "violent" stuff. Almost all of it demeans women in one way or another, and not just accidentally - for the people who make this stuff, demeaning women is the whole point.