How do we address men’s violence against women as an epidemic?

From reported statistics. That is not accurate

Many women don't report domestic violence, for many reasons.

It is easier for a man to report a stranger punching him on the street. Other witnesses will even call the police for hom

Then it is for a woman to report her husband punching her, when he will have wore her down mentally and emotionally

But yes, in terms of non sexual physical violence men are both most of the perpetrators and victims.

That figure also doesn’t involve sexual violence.

Peachydeasy even if the most violence in this country is by men to other men, (and i dont think the numbers are accurate as many women are too afraid to report physcial domestic violence)

How is violence of men to men relevant to this thread?

I think it’s so obvious when someone is trying to derail the thread. I can strongly visualise them in my head just by their ‘tone’. The trick is to just ignore - don’t quote their thread back at them, just move on to the comments that you want to engage with. That’s not to say every comment that doesn’t 100% chime with my own thoughts isn’t worthy of engagement - it’s just the ones that have that ‘high-horsey’, flouncey, indignant and chidey tone. It just builds a picture in my head IYSWIM?

Yeah. I'm done. It's clear that a serious discussion about violence against women by men can't happen unless MN are proactive about clamping down on posters who consistently derail the conversation. And that just isn't happening.

The overwhelming majority of violence in this country is perpetrated by men...especially against women.

The majority of violence is perpetuated by men against men. You can have your own opinions but you can't have your own facts.

So much misandry on this board. I may be gender critical but that doesn't mean that I hate men nor do I think we should use eugenics to reduce the number of male children. Some you have some real issues if that is how you think.

How can we change anything when women never to seem to agree on anything cohesively and never seem to support each other?

This is not a perspective that can be 'balanced'. The overwhelming majority of violence in this country is perpetrated by men...especially against women.

That's the discussion at hand. You're welcome to start your own thread about your cousin and MIL. You'll be called out if you consistently try to deflect from this topic.

Why not fewer male children?

No, I disagree, we can and should focus exclusively on men’s violence against women. It really is a separate issue, fueled by very specific beliefs and attitudes that need to be challenged and changed. Something radical must be done. Perhaps not less male children, but educational efforts aimed at young adolescent males definitely.

My posts are not a derailment, because we cannot address violence of men against women without considering violence as a whole

This is pretty much my opinion. I don't think we can eliminate men's violence against women while ignoring men's violence against others (men, children, animals etc).

I don't know how realistically it can change except to have less children or pethaps less boy children....

Are you arguing for eugenics/sex-selective abortion? Yikes. Comments like this remind me why I don't associate with radical feminism anymore.

It won't change from the men's side becauze they love the power. They enjoy it.

I will never forget a male friend thst sat down and spoke to me about it once.

He said to me "I will tell you honestly how a lot of men think. They enjoy the power over women. Would you give up that power? "

The change will not come from the male side. As they do not eant to change.

The change has to come from the oppressed female side. We have to rise up more.

How do we change society to become matriarchal?

How do you convince men that we are human beings and not just to convince the really bad ones that rape and kill us but the ones that look away, laugh at the locker room talk but treat you well when away from their mates. The ones that sort of agree with those men but know they can't voice it because they'll lose access to women and have their reputation ruined?

I don't know how realistically it can change except to have less children or pethaps less boy children....

Male violence is nothing new. If we want to address it, we need to be able to acknowledge it and direct policy direct for it. The problem is that targeted policy and law easily falls into discrimination under today’s definition.

We finally are starting to recognize the problem’s in male behavior. We have also made great strides in equality. Those two things independently are great. Put together, we have conflict.

we could have common sense policy like restricting unattended access by male staff to vulnerable women in hospitals and care homes. We know women are sexually abused in these scenarios. This is discrimination though.

Ultimately, I think we just need to do a better job of raising our sons. So many parents think aggression is a part of being male.

Yes we all know that. Everyone knows that.

So what are we going to do about it?

This situation does not call for a balanced perspective, because there is no balance.

The disproportionate number of violent offenders, including those who perpetrate VAWG, are men.

What annoys me though is there are loads of threads like this, but women never seem to come together cohesively as a group to actually implement actions and changes in the country.

There is an epidemic of violence and rape against women. The men are not going to change it as they either dont see it, or it doesnt affect them.

What can WE as women do to change it?

Inevitable.

Absolutely anything but address the issue naming the demographic who are overwhelmingly responsible: this being men.

It's every thread on which these issues are raised. Every single one.

That is a bit naive.

Has "because it's wrong" ever stopped rapists, abusers, domestic abusers in the past?

No. They can do it and they will.

I personally would like more female only spaces.

@SpiritAdder go away with your comments. You have NO IDEA about me and what i do about this issue.

You were very keen to make it about violence against people - diluting the message that we are talking about what the police have acknowledged is AN EPIDEMIC of MALE violence against WOMEN.

But why would the man in that scenario, care that it is wrong to the woman? like it doesn't hurt him in any way.

Nothing bad at all happens to the man in rape.

He gets what he wants. He is satisfied. He has no pain from it.

This is why there is so much rape.

This is what we are looking at, when trying to deal with this.

Because it's wrong?

I try to look at it from the male point of view, to look for answers. We cant just look at it from the female point of vire.

Answer this:

If he could get away with it, why wouldnt a man rape. He wants sex, it feels good, he can physically overpower a woman. He is not going to care how she feels.

Interesting thread that highlights how it starts young in boys.

Am I alone in thinking that this is a red flag and immediate action by parents is potentially key to preventing this boy growing up to be a 27yr old man murdering his 22yr old girlfriend?
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/amibeingunreasonable/5528008-to-think-7yo-deliberately-hurting-2yo-is-not-normal

It is all inter-related imho.
We can prune the tree of adult male violence all day and get nowhere unless we tackle the roots of it.