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A consequence of the right to be forgotten (under GDPR law)?

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BonfireLady · 03/05/2026 08:25

Request - if you think you know the name of (or any other personal identifiable information about) the killer in the example below, please do not add it to this thread. If anyone does add these details, please could you report the comment for removal

I was talking to someone IRL about a recent court case that hit the headlines. The convicted killer was described as a woman who killed her sibling and stole a possession. I used it as an example of (yet another 😔) crime perpetrated by a male yet reported as having been committed by a female.

I googled a few key words to pull up the evidence of the killer's sex, having remembered reading about the case before it went to court.... nothing. It's like I must have imagined it.

Then, I scrolled to the bottom and was informed by the search engine that some results may have been removed because of the ruling from Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) about the right to be forgotten. After a bit more digging I found that this law had passed in 2014 (so I assume it's part of the UK version of GDPR that followed Brexit) and that action will only be taken to remove results if someone requests this.

A little bit more digging suggests that this law doesn't allow anyone to request removal of their sex if it is in the public interest to know it. However, it's not clear who decides where this threshold sits.

Does anyone else remember this case being about a male killer because of information they read online? If so, which country are you in and can you still see that information somewhere online, either via a search engine or directly on a website?

Assuming I'm not going mad, if the right to be forgotten allows anyone (perhaps with a GRC under the GRA?) to have facts about their sex removed from the internet, we're in for some of the darkest times yet re free speech.

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IwantToRetire · 04/05/2026 17:55

Forgot to save the link but SEEN in Journalism is implying (I think) that it is because the media has been so dishonest in reporting that now the assumption of many is that they are lying in this case.

An unexpected consequence, or even obvious consequence, or people not trusting the new media because too often it later become clears if not actually lying they were economical with the truth.

MyrtleLion · 04/05/2026 15:30

One of the reasons why it feels odd I think is because it is so rare for women to kill other women.

My understanding is that women who kill women are usually related to the victim, so in this case it is not so rare because they are sisters.

I also wondered about the sex of the murderer and I wonder if maybe the murderer has Swyer Syndrome and has had IVF with a donated egg. This may account for the photos seeming ambiguous about natal sex.

FireHorse2026 · 04/05/2026 05:00

I know the case you are talking about and I also had the same suspicions given the nature of the crime and the photo of the offender. But I don't think the suspicions are correct. I'm outside the UK/EU and can find nothing to suggest anything other than what the news articles report. I do think in 2026 if the offender were born male it would be made clear, they do for other cases. In 2016, no, but things have changed a lot.

It is definitely possible to keep things hidden and off the internet (see Claire Freemantle who killed two schoolgirls in Wimbledon with her car) but you need to have money and probably connections which it doesn't seem like this offender has.

ElenOfTheWays · 03/05/2026 19:12

catipuss · 03/05/2026 09:23

She was the MOTHER of children.

There are trans identified men who claim to be the mother of their children. And news outlets/politicians/law enforcement who go along with it.
Not saying this is the case here, but it's not proof this person is a woman either.

IwantToRetire · 03/05/2026 18:51

Assuming there is an element of truth in OP's suspicion, wouldn't it be relevant in terms of where the sentence is to be served?

Has this been made public?

RunningforSam · 03/05/2026 11:46

I’m surprised that the press isn’t all over this story, hyping it up to get clicks.

Jennifer Abbott’s professional profile suggests her father was a diplomat and she grew up in European cities. Her US citizenship suggests she moved to the states. She became a film director and was later killed by her homeless older sister (older by just one year). This is the stuff of movies and the type of story the reels people in.

Maybe there is enough global drama at the moment without needing to farm engagement from stories like this.

TofuTuesday · 03/05/2026 11:36

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 03/05/2026 10:25

That doesn't work. You need to use the report button or email them.

there is zero need to remove my post. It just doesn’t back up the op’s fixation that something is being covered up. It’s a link to a published tabloid newspaper article.

TofuTuesday · 03/05/2026 11:34

BonfireLady · 03/05/2026 10:22

@mnhq please can you delete the post at 10.14. It includes personal information about someone that makes it inappropriate for this thread.

My post? Dont be daft it’s literally a published article with no ‘secret’ details. Just doesn’t back up your weird obsession that there’s more to this.

MyThreeWords · 03/05/2026 11:22

BonfireLady · 03/05/2026 10:22

@mnhq please can you delete the post at 10.14. It includes personal information about someone that makes it inappropriate for this thread.

It's perfectly fine to link to a published news story.

This case is all over the media, and you get loads of results for it if you search the name of the offender. I'm surprised you could think of this as something that is being erased in some way.

Also, I think that speculating about this person's sex is unfounded. I've never seen any grounds for this.

BonfireLady · 03/05/2026 11:15

Cheeseandmorecheese · 03/05/2026 10:54

There is a Facebook page discussing this case which includes comments along the lines that early reports included the information the killer is a trans identified male, but that this has since been removed. So clearly there are others who had the same thought. I have no idea if it’s true though.

Thank you for sharing this.

early reports included the information the killer is a trans identified male

This ⬆️ (i.e. some mainstream media - but not all, as per usual). On a positive note, if I've gone full tin hat ga ga in remembering what I saw with my own eyes, at least I'm not alone 😬

And 🙏 re this from your follow-up comment:

Good idea not to include the names on this thread.

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Cheeseandmorecheese · 03/05/2026 10:56

Good idea not to include the names on this thread. Even though it’s a current news story I don’t think it’s appropriate to have speculation on this tied to the names of those involved.

Cheeseandmorecheese · 03/05/2026 10:54

There is a Facebook page discussing this case which includes comments along the lines that early reports included the information the killer is a trans identified male, but that this has since been removed. So clearly there are others who had the same thought. I have no idea if it’s true though.

BonfireLady · 03/05/2026 10:50

WolfDaysOfMoon · 03/05/2026 10:40

It’s a published newspaper story.

Yes. With personal identifiable information in it that would be inappropriate for the discussion in this thread.

There are other published news stories about the incident from around the same time too.

There have been many published news stories referring to women committing other crimes, where it later transpired that the sex of the perpetrator didn't match the reported information.

NB I went for belt and braces and used both the reporting button and a tag. If the tag doesn't work, fair enough.

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WolfDaysOfMoon · 03/05/2026 10:40

BonfireLady · 03/05/2026 10:22

@mnhq please can you delete the post at 10.14. It includes personal information about someone that makes it inappropriate for this thread.

It’s a published newspaper story.

WolfDaysOfMoon · 03/05/2026 10:39

@BonfireLady I’ve always felt there was something ‘off’ about the reporting on this case from the get-go. That’s a definite memory. The identical ages at the time of the crime (69 yrs), the tabloids’ use of ‘sisters’ and not ‘twins’ (the media love a set of lady twins), the MO (‘blunt force trauma’), the psychopathy of the attack, the blurry sparse photo(s) …

popery · 03/05/2026 10:25

BonfireLady · 03/05/2026 10:22

@mnhq please can you delete the post at 10.14. It includes personal information about someone that makes it inappropriate for this thread.

There is no user 'mnhq' so tagging them doesn't work. You need to report the post or email them.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 03/05/2026 10:25

BonfireLady · 03/05/2026 10:22

@mnhq please can you delete the post at 10.14. It includes personal information about someone that makes it inappropriate for this thread.

That doesn't work. You need to use the report button or email them.

popery · 03/05/2026 10:24

I've seen this wording at the bottom of hundreds of Google searches. I don't think it necessarily means anything has been removed, just that it's possible.

It came in years ago and I remember some discussion about it then (not on FWR, just generally).

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 03/05/2026 10:24

I think you've misremembered this. Unfortunately, since the media, the police, the CPS, the judiciary and everyone else involved moved to using preferred pronouns I am routinely suspicious when we get reports of a violent crime committed by a woman. However, although it's rare for a woman or girl to commit violent crimes, especially alone rather than in association with a man or boy, and especially rare for her to attack another adult rather than a young child Sad, it's not unknown. I'm not a criminologist but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it's more common within families.

In this case, it seemed so odd I that I did google a bit at the time the sister's arrest was first reported. I've found nothing to suggest that she was actually a he.

Terribly sad for the children of the two sisters.

BonfireLady · 03/05/2026 10:22

@mnhq please can you delete the post at 10.14. It includes personal information about someone that makes it inappropriate for this thread.

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BonfireLady · 03/05/2026 10:18

That means an overseas search will find the contents, but a UK search won’t find the contents
Therefore a mix of alternate search engines and / or VPNs ought to find content, but without explicit effort the content wouldn’t be found

Thank you. Slightly chilling.....

I don't think the US has the equivalent of UK GDPR and the CJEU ruling but I'm going to assume Australia's current interpretation of its own laws mean it would be a difficult task to find anything that had been removed under UK GDPR about a story in the UK (Australian law on sex v gender identity seems like a massive tangled and unfathomable web).

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Tomikka · 03/05/2026 10:09

BonfireLady · 03/05/2026 09:30

The 2014 amendment isn’t Brexit related (the referendum was in 2019)
It relates to a case brought to the ECJ, and resulted in changes to all GDPR related legislation

Indeed. But after Brexit, the UK created its own version of GDPR which effectively included everything that was already in it. So this would have been taken across into UK GDPR.

Retaining birth sex could be argued both ways of being harmful to a trans individual (at risk of being targeted) and of public interest (changing the nature of their crime for the awareness of risk)
They cannot separate their name from the crime, and cannot remove court records
They can request removal from web sites hosted in the scope of GDPR compliant countries and / or request search engines exclude specific links

Edited (italics above are added by me): the italicised words are interesting, as I hadn't been aware of this. I thought it was just search engines. The rest of my original comment ⬇️ is still relevant, with the addition of "and Europe".

This is why I'm curious about what can be seen from outside the UK and Europe.

Edited

Yes on the in & out of Europe

It also covers the data held by businesses etc, but is less relevant to the topic in hand

If the requester only goes to search engines to exclude links, rather than the source pages (or the source pages decline) * then the source information would still be out there, (non GDPR site sources remain)

That means an overseas search will find the contents, but a UK search won’t find the contents
Therefore a mix of alternate search engines and / or VPNs ought to find content, but without explicit effort the content wouldn’t be found

-* An original source could decline to remove relevant details based on public interest of the facts, but it could become semi invisible if search engines accept the removal of the link

BonfireLady · 03/05/2026 10:02

LeftieRightsHoarder · 03/05/2026 09:42

The 2014 amendment isn’t Brexit related (the referendum was in 2019)

Just for accuracy: the referendum was in 2016 and Brexit was completed in 2020.

Good point!

Also, given this They can request removal from web sites hosted in the scope of GDPR compliant countries I'm going to assume Mumsnet would need to remove any mention of someone's name (and other identifiable information?) if this had been done.

So while it's tempting to ask for evidence that the killer is (not sure why the past tense is being used) a mother, please don't add this to the thread @catipuss

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LeftieRightsHoarder · 03/05/2026 09:42

The 2014 amendment isn’t Brexit related (the referendum was in 2019)

Just for accuracy: the referendum was in 2016 and Brexit was completed in 2020.