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lcakethereforeIam · 01/05/2026 07:41

An article by Doc Stock in Unherd

https://archive.ph/a0JgU

https://unherd.com/2026/05/the-rewriting-of-campus-history/?edition=us

Sacha Roseneil is calling for Professor Ahmed to resign, or be sacked.

The rewriting of campus history

https://unherd.com/2026/05/the-rewriting-of-campus-history/?edition=us

IwantToRetire · 01/05/2026 02:12

it looks like it was a Parliament FU

Agree - in fact we could have a thread and nearly every day would be able to add another instances where something that has not been effective will turn out to be that.

MyAmpleSheep · 30/04/2026 23:36

socialdilemmawhattodo · 30/04/2026 22:02

I feel she has an interest somewhere in this topic, possibly undeclared. She is a Family Court judge so not totally sure why this case and other similar are falling under her brief/remit.

She is a Justice of the High Court of England and Wales, and sits in the Family Court Division of the High Court. That's different to the Family Court, which is a lower court. Family Court Judges are much junior to High Court Judges.

She is experienced in administrative law, and it's not unusual for High Court Judges sometimes to sit on cases in other divisions.

KnottyAuty · 30/04/2026 22:54

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 30/04/2026 22:42

Although the judge works in the family court she’s also a specialist in administrative law. She will be well qualified. It will be interesting to see if the OfS seeks to appeal.

I suspect they will. They need to test out the boundaries of the powers and this judgment seemed to limit rather too many points - it looks like it was a Parliament FU because they didn't work out how HERA was going to interact with all the existing structures. The only way they can work it out is by test cases I supppose. On the other hand the new complaints process closes some of the loopholes that Sussex has slipped through and the OfS will have learned a lot from this process, so next uni on the hook will not get off so lightly... the fine may not have fallen due, but the intent is clear and universities need to clean house

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 30/04/2026 22:42

Although the judge works in the family court she’s also a specialist in administrative law. She will be well qualified. It will be interesting to see if the OfS seeks to appeal.

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 30/04/2026 22:38

@SwirlyGates Yes. It’s about using a fair procedure to investigate and administer a fine. It’s reasonable to expect a fair process and Sussex say they didn’t get it. Not sure it was about free speech. I agree, it was about process.

socialdilemmawhattodo · 30/04/2026 22:02

MyAmpleSheep · 29/04/2026 16:38

Procedure - and fair procedure - is incredibly important. It's what distinguishes government from baying mobs with pitchforks. (And this topic has enough of those floating around.)

Nathalie Lieven (Mrs Justice Lieven) is the same Judge who ruled against Sex Matters Judicial Review of the Corporation of the City of London's decisions about the Hampstead ponds. The Court of Appeal overturned her on that.

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I feel she has an interest somewhere in this topic, possibly undeclared. She is a Family Court judge so not totally sure why this case and other similar are falling under her brief/remit.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 30/04/2026 21:41

PollyNomial · 30/04/2026 21:32

Again, show where the judgement in question is wrong. Making glib barbs like that will not convince anyone not already firmly in your camp.

Everyone is in my camp.

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IwantToRetire · 30/04/2026 21:40

The court ruling had nothing to do with, nor did it comment on, what happened to Kathleen Stock.

It is, as mentioned up thread, and in the quote I posted earlier from the Court summary of the Judgement, that basically OfS abused the process they are meant to follow.

So sadly because they FU, thr actual issue has not been addressed.

The Court judgement didn't say Sussex University was right, it just said procedures against them were faulty.

Lets hope one day there will be people working in the OfS who know how to do their job.

SwirlyGates · 30/04/2026 21:36

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 30/04/2026 20:28

@SwirlyGates Of course the university is happy! They won.

Well yes, but I was really highlighting the responses, which saw it as a victory for free speech, when in fact it's just the opposite - the uni was supporting the students who abused and threatened Kathleen Stock for exercising her right to free speech.

The uni statement says, "Sussex has today cleared its name, and we remain committed as ever to academic freedom and freedom of speech." Complete nonsense and they should be ashamed of themselves. https://www.sussex.ac.uk/news/focus/freedom-of-speech

In any case, removal of the fine seems to be down to a technicality of the process followed, rather than agreement or disagreement with either Kathleen Stock or the uni.

The University of Sussex’s judicial review against the Office for Students : In focus : News : University of Sussex

https://www.sussex.ac.uk/news/focus/freedom-of-speech

PollyNomial · 30/04/2026 21:32

Again, show where the judgement in question is wrong. Making glib barbs like that will not convince anyone not already firmly in your camp.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 30/04/2026 21:06

PollyNomial · 30/04/2026 19:17

It's such a compelling argument to play the "blame the judge" card rather than demonstrate which points of law were decided incorrectly.

it's such compelling argument to say women can have a penis because, no
wait, that's mental sorry.

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MeetMeOnTheCorner · 30/04/2026 20:28

@SwirlyGates Of course the university is happy! They won.

SwirlyGates · 30/04/2026 20:14

I saw a post from Sussex Uni on Facebook, celebrating the decision. Most of the replies saw it as a win for free speech - morons, they obviously have no idea what they're talking about.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 30/04/2026 19:51

EdithStourton · 30/04/2026 19:39

Reminds me of the Soviet Bloc.

Taking lessons from China perhaps.🧐

EdithStourton · 30/04/2026 19:39

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 29/04/2026 19:53

Just came here to post that. A very troubling suggestion indeed - an approval process in fact....

Reminds me of the Soviet Bloc.

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 30/04/2026 19:30

@SingleSexSpacesInSchools Many judges have judgements overturned by the Court of Appeal! If there was never a need for an appeal, there would not be a court with that name! That she’s taking challenging cases with closely debated points means there’s room for legal interpretation and not everyone will agree. Should it go to the court of appeal, this could be the case. This case was not an appeal. It was a case brought by the university.

PollyNomial · 30/04/2026 19:17

It's such a compelling argument to play the "blame the judge" card rather than demonstrate which points of law were decided incorrectly.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 30/04/2026 17:59

Look at the name of the judge….. same judge as the Hampstead ladies pond I think…

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TurbulentPriest · 30/04/2026 09:15

KnottyAuty · 30/04/2026 07:14

Me too!

I moved on to try the full judgment but it all hinges on very detailed procedural loopholes matters which aren’t easy to track.

One big issue seems to be that MPs didnt clearly define “governing documents” in HERA. When debated in parliament someone wanted to add “and practices” to that but the revision wasnt made. This court has taken a literal view and these documents dont include policies which control the aims & objectives on the ground which seems really odd. If your policies contradict the governing documents (as defined by the court) covering free speech, then how can these be ignored?

The judgment talks about the OfS being concerned that “lawful speech” saying that this is unfortunate but ok. Does this judge understand how far the controls on speech extend ie use of the word “man” etc etc? It seemed like the whole thing was terribly lawyerly but simultaneously completely out of touch - like the “sex for all purposes” statement they all clung to from the GRA…

Don’t worry, there are already many law firms out there offering to explain it for a fee 😁

TheKeatingFive · 30/04/2026 08:48

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Presumably because the Guardian is amongst the most bigoted, anti-woman sources out there. HTH.

guiops · 30/04/2026 08:14

Kucinghitam · 29/04/2026 18:26

In practice the OfS's ruling and fine didn't make a difference. The Righteous have continued to operate unencumbered, free to impose their Very Kind Zealotry upon most of academia. So while it is bad news, nothing actually changed for those of us working in HE; as was explained upthread, the imposition of Righteous pressure mostly happens at a covert, insidious, self-silencing level.

so true. An ex colleague of mine is a professor and gender is one of her hot topics. She’s fiercely intelligent but says the most dumb things about what’s obviously a social construct. I assume it’s because her whole career, life and identity is built around the premise that gender identity is an actual verifiable thing. And permits men to trample all over women’s rights in its name.

HazelLemur · 30/04/2026 07:27

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