No rape took place outside Epsom church, claim police

East Surrey Chief Superintendent Mark Chapman said: ‘I understand the distress and concern that this incident has caused, both for the victim herself and amongst our local communities, and I want you to reassure you that we are working hard to progress this investigation.

’While we have already carried out extensive enquiries, we do not have sufficient information at this time to update you with the descriptions of the suspects. I appreciate that this causes increased concern, and I can assure you that we will update you with these descriptions as soon as we are able to do so.

’In the meantime, I would urge people not to speculate about the descriptions of these suspects as this may lead to additional tensions within our local communities.'

I'm not an expert in police procedure, but Surrey plod wouldn't have adopted a different media strategy if they actively wanted to look shifty.

I also sometimes wonder if we need a term to describe the opposite of a dogwhistle, when the police and BBC tell us about a crime, but it's incredibly obvious there's something about the perpetrator that they're leaving out.

It took a very long time to be able to even have a conversation about grooming gangs. There were plenty of people, yea even feminists, who were happy to take the authorities' word for it that there was nothing to see here. And then they wonder why trust in institutions like the police and media is so low.

It's not just Rotherham, plenty of instances where they've mucked up and eroded trust and for decades. Quite famous for it in the 70's, the police corruption, the way women are treated, and yet it's only because of Rotherham the trust is gone despite reasons to distrust being there all along.

But people don't seem to talk in earnest about any of that, just the ones involving people with different colour skin and they don't seem to go out and riot over them. The thing with Epsom though is there was no description given out, (presumably the lady couldn't describe them), so people jumped to conclusion and rioted because of it. The way police handle this had changed in recent years, to disclose the nationality of criminals to stop misinformation btw, but it sounds like there was nothing to disclose.

It does seems like it has upset people because it doesn't suit their narrative, but when you look at it, there was absolutely little to point towards what they presumed it to be in the first place, other than 'gang rape'. Instead of admit they jumped to the wrong conclusions in this instance, people are shouting 'no, it's a cover up'!

Do you honestly believe that this case is going to be covered up? As big as it is with the rioting?
OK.

It's depressing that it's completely believable that a woman had been gang raped, and also completely believable that the police may have fucked up due to incompetence.

I dismiss conspiracy theories on the basis that there aren't enough smart thinkers and efficient organisers anywhere in the country to execute any kind of cover-up.

Kent County Council spent £30,000 on driving lessons for asylum seekers.

It’s not necessarily a national scheme but other councils have also done this.

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/why-30k-has-been-spent-in-kent-on-driving-lessons-for-asylu-321435/

All asylum seekers are entitled to free full NHS care and even failed asylum seekers not yet deported are entitled to quite a range of free NHS care. This level of free service for non nationals is unique as far as I can understand. The NHS is stretched to breaking point but we continue to load it with more, often high need dependents.

https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/ethics/refugees-overseas-visitors-and-vulnerable-migrants/refugee-and-asylum-seeker-patient-health-toolkit/refugees-and-asylum-seekers-entitlement-to-nhs-care

This is dedicated NHS centre and there are many mobile dental and doctor units that attend migrant hotels throughout the UK.

www.wembleyparkgp.nhs.uk/providing-care-for-asylum-seekers/

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/waste-watch-private-healthcare-illegal-100000327.html

Hotels, yes - these people need somewhere to stay whilst their claims are being processed. Would you rather they sleep on the streets instead and we deal with a growing homelessness problem?

This is where some form of off shore processing is needed. As of the end of 2025, 58% of asylum claims fail and we then have to find and deport these people. That is a monumental task hampered by the human rights lawyers who have famously succeeded in preventing the deportation of a number of serious criminals who have gone on to commit more crime.

We have a growing number of asylum claims being made by people who have entered on other visas like student visas as recently highlighted by the BBC.

Unfortunately Rotherham et al have done a huge amount to undermine trust in the police. That's on them, no one else.

I have absolutely no idea what happened here, but I completely understand why people are suspicious.

The problem in Epsom is that trust in the police is clearly at an all time low.

If this really is the police force that drove Stephen Ireland (convicted paedophile) around to schools then you can see why many people wouldn't be convinced they can trust anything this Police force says.

How women can be more concerned about these men who have come here illegally than our own daughters fills me with horror and shame,
Frankly I don’t give a shit if 99% of these men are ‘kind’. I don’t want to risk any of them coming, How many rapes and murders is too many?

Yes, we have enough problems with homegrown rapists and murderers without importing loads of men from countries that think women aren't deserving of human rights and it's no big deal to rape children.

Who generally, and rightly so, go through official channels. You have to jump through hoops to emigrate now, the days of £10 poms are long gone.
There is a massive amount of organised crime from start to finish in this business, a few people are doing very well out of it and it's rarely the individual asylum seeker/ migrant. They mostly get exploited from start to finish.

All of it actually.

On the contrary, I and I’m sure many others would be very relieved if this genuinely didn’t happen and it was all just a big (but odd) misunderstanding but it doesn’t change all the other rapes and murders perpetrated by recent migrants that have happened.

This is not a ‘narrative’ that’s being highlighted as an issue here, it’s the breakdown in trust in police and government after many many issues over the last few years against a backdrop of uncontrolled numbers of people, mostly men entering our country through various means and some are committing crimes.

Out of 7667 gang rapes recorded in London (2010-2018), 82% were perpetrated by non British nationals. Other European countries with high non EU immigration have reported serious problems with men from a number of non EU countries.

Police forces up and down the country have had to apologise for lying many times. The initial grooming gangs inquiry found that police returned girls to the rape gangs to be raped again and silenced whistleblowers. We still haven’t got to the bottom of the extent of the problems in the 50-80 towns and cities that are involved.

I really hope in this case they are telling the truth, but with an odd story like that, how can we be sure?

No.

It must be nice to live in areas where this trouble doesn't happen. But for other people it's a daily problem, with authorities refusing to do anything, and then desperately trying to downplay any incident and crackdown on people talking about it.

You can't tackle lies by withholding the truth.

And a ton of baseless gossip.

It's a very sad state of affairs to read people disbelieve the police because it doesn't suit their narrative rather than just be relieved this poor woman wasn't raped multiple times.

Whether this case was false or not, these stories usually come out of areas that have quickly developed a history of a lot of offences taking place and being ignored by police.

The case involving asylum seekers in Brighton has been thoroughly investigated by police and resulted in a prosecution and conviction. I repeat: what makes people think the police are lying or covering up in this particular case?
Three men guilty of 'callous' Brighton beach rape - BBC News https://share.google/huvQsE09NfTxOFmXK

Hotels, yes - these people need somewhere to stay whilst their claims are being processed. Would you rather they sleep on the streets instead and we deal with a growing homelessness problem?

And seeing as they aren’t allowed to work whilst claims are processed (which take a very long time due to the relentless cuts in public services), how do you expect them to buy or do anything if they aren’t given “pocket money”?

But clothes?

Driving lessons?

Going straight to the front of the queue for dentists and doctors?

Where’s the evidence?

Because of course that never happened in Rotherham did it when people including social workers, teachers etc were reporting Muslim raping gangs,
And look at us 25 years later.
Every city and town seems to possess one of these ‘never happened here’ raping gangs with tens of thousands of victims who all seem to be white women &girls.

What was Rhiannon doing working there if the illegal men coming here don’t get hotels?
What do you think is happening when MPs ask the Home Secretary what is happening with the tens of thousands of men being put up in hotels? Do you think they are just making it up and she’s saying the government will stop putting these ‘arrivals’ in hotels just for the fun of it? Do you think they are lying??

How women can be more concerned about these men who have come here illegally than our own daughters fills me with horror and shame,
Frankly I don’t give a shit if 99% of these men are ‘kind’. I don’t want to risk any of them coming, How many rapes and murders is too many?
How many more women sacrificed on the alter of the left wing mantra of ‘We must not be racist at any cost’?
The cost is US and our daughters!!
You might be prepared to pay the price with your child.
I’m not.
Can you remember where ‘be kind’ got us with trans identifying men?
Well this ‘be kind’ is ten thousand times worse.
The line liked by a Muslim female MP to a victim of the Muslim raping gangs
“just shut up for the sake of diversity” springs to mind.

You do know that many of the tv stations carefully select the people they interview to ensure that their views reflect the message of the piece being written?

Just because some women in Epsom haven’t reported concerns doesn’t mean that allowing huge numbers of men from countries like Somalia and Afghanistan etc plus known criminals from Egypt is not having an impact on public safety

On one of the immigration channels currently being exploited, small boats, we have received an Egyptian terrorist who raped a woman in Hyde Park and now 2 Egyptian men (1 wanted for murder in Europe) and an Iranian convicted of gang rape in Brighton. There are clearly many others who have entered this country and are committing crimes.

As PP points out, why are men coming in from Egypt? The current system allows men who have thrown away their documents to arrive here and be placed into asylum hotels which are not secure and are also now being placed in HMOs in small communities. If these men wish to ‘disappear’ and avail themselves of the huge ‘cash only’ economy that has formed on our High Streets described in the BBC investigations.

A genuine asylum seeker would not throw away their documents - they would want to prove their case for asylum.

The government have a responsibility to protect our borders and keep us safe. They are failing in that and appear to be making no attempt to address it.

So the basic idea of this thread's conspiracy theory is that the police pressured a woman into retracting a rape claim because they wanted to make life easier for asylum seekers and wrongfoot anti-migrant protesters?

Yeah, right.

Don’t be so ridiculous. If there had been a shred of evidence, the investigation would have continued

Said with such conviction. Why didn't they investigate numerous grooming gangs when there was clear evidence then? Or Jimmy Saville for that matter?

Seeing how police like to turn a blind eye to grooming gangs and label the ittle girls as liars and sluts even when there is clear evidence, I'm not about to give them the benefit of the doubt with this.

They don’t get any of that ? Really?
I’ll just go to the hotel at the end of the road my mum Iives on then and tell the men in that hotel who get all of the benefits I quoted after coming here on a dinghy that Downy says you don’t get that.
Shabana Mahmood has vowed to get the illegal immigrants out of hotels and into -well, bourse next door to us I guess- by 2029.
They don’t ’ask’. They just get collected off the boats and taken to hotels!!
635 arrived on Tuesday. Couldn’t see a woman among all of the young men.
The ‘new arrivals’ in my sleepy market town barged into my (private) dentists last year while I was sat there waving laminated cards which gave them free & immediate access to NHS dentists and demanding to be seen “now”.
They laughed at the receptionist who had to get the male dentist to try and get them out while she phoned the useless police.
There were 5 of them and it was not a nice experience.
They are fucking laughing at us - and we are offering up our young to them by being so quiet as we are too scared of be8mg called racist.

Complete and utter nonsense.

Please back up those claims with evidence rather than spreading more nonsense.