No rape took place outside Epsom church, claim police

Where have I smeared any women?

On the contrary, I and I’m sure many others would be very relieved if this genuinely didn’t happen and it was all just a big (but odd) misunderstanding but it doesn’t change all the other rapes and murders perpetrated by recent migrants that have happened.

This is not a ‘narrative’ that’s being highlighted as an issue here, it’s the breakdown in trust in police and government after many many issues over the last few years against a backdrop of uncontrolled numbers of people, mostly men entering our country through various means and some are committing crimes.

Out of 7667 gang rapes recorded in London (2010-2018), 82% were perpetrated by non British nationals. Other European countries with high non EU immigration have reported serious problems with men from a number of non EU countries.

Police forces up and down the country have had to apologise for lying many times. The initial grooming gangs inquiry found that police returned girls to the rape gangs to be raped again and silenced whistleblowers. We still haven’t got to the bottom of the extent of the problems in the 50-80 towns and cities that are involved.

I really hope in this case they are telling the truth, but with an odd story like that, how can we be sure?

No. But the reasons behind the rioting, sorry, 'peaceful protest' (despite some being arrested for non-peaceful protesting) are the same. Well, apart from the face Epsom never gave any details, it was based on presumption and speculation.

And no, I don't see everything as far-right racism and I understand people's frustration 100%. Two things, I just dislike the selective frustration and outrage that is happening and I hate to see far right thugs weaponising the suffering of others.

In the case of Epsom, there was no solid information to protest to but it didn't stop the stella swilling thugs did it? Didn't stop them looking at hotels, accusing them incorrectly as housing asylum seekers, chanting racist language, blocking cars, getting violent, knocking on doors looking for migrants, making locals feel unsafe.

If people do not wish for others to label these 'protests' as anything than far-right, then perhaps the far-right should stop being racist while protesting and actually have the interests of people at heart. I repeat, it's not about protecting or protesting against harm to women.

I’m sure that happened.

It's not just Rotherham, plenty of instances where they've mucked up and eroded trust and for decades. Quite famous for it in the 70's, the police corruption, the way women are treated, and yet it's only because of Rotherham the trust is gone despite reasons to distrust being there all along.

But people don't seem to talk in earnest about any of that, just the ones involving people with different colour skin and they don't seem to go out and riot over them. The thing with Epsom though is there was no description given out, (presumably the lady couldn't describe them), so people jumped to conclusion and rioted because of it. The way police handle this had changed in recent years, to disclose the nationality of criminals to stop misinformation btw, but it sounds like there was nothing to disclose.

It does seems like it has upset people because it doesn't suit their narrative, but when you look at it, there was absolutely little to point towards what they presumed it to be in the first place, other than 'gang rape'. Instead of admit they jumped to the wrong conclusions in this instance, people are shouting 'no, it's a cover up'!

They don’t get any of that ? Really?
I’ll just go to the hotel at the end of the road my mum Iives on then and tell the men in that hotel who get all of the benefits I quoted after coming here on a dinghy that Downy says you don’t get that.
Shabana Mahmood has vowed to get the illegal immigrants out of hotels and into -well, bourse next door to us I guess- by 2029.
They don’t ’ask’. They just get collected off the boats and taken to hotels!!
635 arrived on Tuesday. Couldn’t see a woman among all of the young men.
The ‘new arrivals’ in my sleepy market town barged into my (private) dentists last year while I was sat there waving laminated cards which gave them free & immediate access to NHS dentists and demanding to be seen “now”.
They laughed at the receptionist who had to get the male dentist to try and get them out while she phoned the useless police.
There were 5 of them and it was not a nice experience.
They are fucking laughing at us - and we are offering up our young to them by being so quiet as we are too scared of be8mg called racist.

Was the mix up with Epsom and Epping deliberate? Is it that the poster just sees all these protests as "far-right racism" and doesn't look at the nuances of each case and each community separately?

Kent County Council spent £30,000 on driving lessons for asylum seekers.

It’s not necessarily a national scheme but other councils have also done this.

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/why-30k-has-been-spent-in-kent-on-driving-lessons-for-asylu-321435/

All asylum seekers are entitled to free full NHS care and even failed asylum seekers not yet deported are entitled to quite a range of free NHS care. This level of free service for non nationals is unique as far as I can understand. The NHS is stretched to breaking point but we continue to load it with more, often high need dependents.

https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/ethics/refugees-overseas-visitors-and-vulnerable-migrants/refugee-and-asylum-seeker-patient-health-toolkit/refugees-and-asylum-seekers-entitlement-to-nhs-care

This is dedicated NHS centre and there are many mobile dental and doctor units that attend migrant hotels throughout the UK.

www.wembleyparkgp.nhs.uk/providing-care-for-asylum-seekers/

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/waste-watch-private-healthcare-illegal-100000327.html

Hotels, yes - these people need somewhere to stay whilst their claims are being processed. Would you rather they sleep on the streets instead and we deal with a growing homelessness problem?

This is where some form of off shore processing is needed. As of the end of 2025, 58% of asylum claims fail and we then have to find and deport these people. That is a monumental task hampered by the human rights lawyers who have famously succeeded in preventing the deportation of a number of serious criminals who have gone on to commit more crime.

We have a growing number of asylum claims being made by people who have entered on other visas like student visas as recently highlighted by the BBC.

a) there were no ‘riots’.
b) this is what the protestors said:

Prior to this, the live stream showed a woman who was representing the protesters as she read out a statement.
She said it was not about "apportioning blame or fuelling anger, but about establishing the truth".
She said "it feels as though key details are missing", adding residents felt "scared and unsafe".

Why are you intent on smearing women like her as some sort of racist agitators? Why can’t you just accept that some violent men are abusing the system to enter our country, committing crimes and we are not happy about being less safe? *

*for the reporters, no I am not saying that all men entering this country are violent or criminal, but some are. Some have already committed crimes that they wouldn’t have committed if they weren’t here. Some people are dead or have had their lives changed forever because of this and it is reasonable to want the authorities to do more to prevent this happening.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce84klg2lyeo?app-referrer=deep-link

Make no mistake, the riots outside Epsom, Epping isn't about protecting women. I wish it was.

Quite famous for it in the 70's, the police corruption, the way women are treated, and yet it's only because of Rotherham the trust is gone despite reasons to distrust being there all along.
But people don't seem to talk in earnest about any of that, just the ones involving people with different colour skin and they don't seem to go out and riot over them.

I don’t know where you have got that idea from - did you miss the whole #metoo movement, the national horror over Saville and many subsequent BBC presenters etc? Maybe you are suffering from confirmation bias in that you only register public outrage if it references a particular group?

‘Rotherham’ as you call it (minimising somewhat the extent of the scandal that encompasses up to 70 towns and cities and tens if not hundreds of thousands of child victims but hey). There is the added factor that the victims were targeted because of their race and the worst part, that somehow the police and judiciary were involved, labelling the girls as slags and whores, threatening their parents trying to stop their daughters being raped and turning a blind eye to known crimes, returning young teenage girls to adult male rapists to be raped again and bullying police whistleblowers into silence.

That surely would be a whole bale of straws to break the camels back?

It does seems like it has upset people because it doesn't suit their narrative

Why do you keep claiming this?

The public feelings around at the moment are not just a result of Epsom but an accumulation of issues over the years. This isn’t on the ‘racist thugs’ as PP so charmingly describes making their feelings known, this is on the police and government who have made us feel like this.

I’m sure what would make most people happiest is if the government had full control of immigration, we could deport foreign criminals with no hassle and the police were policing ‘without fear or favour’ as they are paid to do. But they don’t and are not.

Your memory wrt rioting is selective. There has been a lot of it in the last few years.
Hare hills? Chap was actually filmed setting fire to a bus.
Birmingham, quite recently about a football match. Also based on dubious information apparently.
I was slightly more surprised to hear about riots in Epsom as opposed to Southall, Croydon, Broadwater farm (farm!!!)..... I imagined they'd be quite genteel in comparison.

It's not just Rotherham, plenty of instances where they've mucked up and eroded trust and for decades. Quite famous for it in the 70's, the police corruption, the way women are treated, and yet it's only because of Rotherham the trust is gone despite reasons to distrust being there all along.

But people don't seem to talk in earnest about any of that, just the ones involving people with different colour skin and they don't seem to go out and riot over them. The thing with Epsom though is there was no description given out, (presumably the lady couldn't describe them), so people jumped to conclusion and rioted because of it. The way police handle this had changed in recent years, to disclose the nationality of criminals to stop misinformation btw, but it sounds like there was nothing to disclose.

It does seems like it has upset people because it doesn't suit their narrative, but when you look at it, there was absolutely little to point towards what they presumed it to be in the first place, other than 'gang rape'. Instead of admit they jumped to the wrong conclusions in this instance, people are shouting 'no, it's a cover up'!

It's not just Rotherham, plenty of instances where they've mucked up and eroded trust and for decades. Quite famous for it in the 70's, the police corruption, the way women are treated, and yet it's only because of Rotherham the trust is gone despite reasons to distrust being there all along.

But people don't seem to talk in earnest about any of that, just the ones involving people with different colour skin and they don't seem to go out and riot over them. The thing with Epsom though is there was no description given out, (presumably the lady couldn't describe them), so people jumped to conclusion and rioted because of it. The way police handle this had changed in recent years, to disclose the nationality of criminals to stop misinformation btw, but it sounds like there was nothing to disclose.

It does seems like it has upset people because it doesn't suit their narrative, but when you look at it, there was absolutely little to point towards what they presumed it to be in the first place, other than 'gang rape'. Instead of admit they jumped to the wrong conclusions in this instance, people are shouting 'no, it's a cover up'!

It's not just Rotherham, plenty of instances where they've mucked up and eroded trust and for decades. Quite famous for it in the 70's, the police corruption, the way women are treated, and yet it's only because of Rotherham the trust is gone despite reasons to distrust being there all along.

But people don't seem to talk in earnest about any of that, just the ones involving people with different colour skin and they don't seem to go out and riot over them. The thing with Epsom though is there was no description given out, (presumably the lady couldn't describe them), so people jumped to conclusion and rioted because of it. The way police handle this had changed in recent years, to disclose the nationality of criminals to stop misinformation btw, but it sounds like there was nothing to disclose.

It does seems like it has upset people because it doesn't suit their narrative, but when you look at it, there was absolutely little to point towards what they presumed it to be in the first place, other than 'gang rape'. Instead of admit they jumped to the wrong conclusions in this instance, people are shouting 'no, it's a cover up'!

Do you honestly believe that this case is going to be covered up? As big as it is with the rioting?
OK.

Don’t be so ridiculous. If there had been a shred of evidence, the investigation would have continued

Said with such conviction. Why didn't they investigate numerous grooming gangs when there was clear evidence then? Or Jimmy Saville for that matter?

It's not just Rotherham, plenty of instances where they've mucked up and eroded trust and for decades. Quite famous for it in the 70's, the police corruption, the way women are treated, and yet it's only because of Rotherham the trust is gone despite reasons to distrust being there all along.

But people don't seem to talk in earnest about any of that, just the ones involving people with different colour skin and they don't seem to go out and riot over them. The thing with Epsom though is there was no description given out, (presumably the lady couldn't describe them), so people jumped to conclusion and rioted because of it. The way police handle this had changed in recent years, to disclose the nationality of criminals to stop misinformation btw, but it sounds like there was nothing to disclose.

It does seems like it has upset people because it doesn't suit their narrative, but when you look at it, there was absolutely little to point towards what they presumed it to be in the first place, other than 'gang rape'. Instead of admit they jumped to the wrong conclusions in this instance, people are shouting 'no, it's a cover up'!