No rape took place outside Epsom church, claim police

Sorry I was expanding on my post immediately below that one x

My take is that she fell over drunk after leaving the club and came round in the churchyard concussed and thought she might have been raped. I have a friend who was raped twice - first she got into a car drunk with 4 men and they raped her and threw her out on the road and the 2nd time, the barman took her home when she was pissed and raped her. He got prosecuted too. I did say, try not to get so pissed and take a taxi home but no doubt will be slagged off. Ooooh, it's our right to get pissed and not take any precautions.

I think a woman in her 20s likely to make her own decisions, not need her parents (eg dad) to take over. That pissed me off the most.

He’s not from the area. He talked in a v patriarchal way about how if the victims PARENTS got in touch he would help. He has sent a massive document to the cops and loads of others (last week) which I have seen, full of assumptions and demands to the cops to release all the cctv to him. I could go on.

What are your specific concerns about this guy?

I assume you are not implying that anyone with an interest in this topic is a grifter and agitator by default?

I’m not sure why you are taking that tone - it is reportedly still very much current.

Even though some of her perpetrators were convicted of rape and trafficking, Penny said "hundreds of men" who abused her remain free to do what they want.
"There are lots and lots of men who were involved with us who have never been brought to justice. I imagine that if they had those sexual tendencies then, they'll still have those tendencies now and they'll find a way to fulfil those tendencies," she said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpvxr7wv74mo?app-referrer=deep-link

From another article

18 February 2026
Warning: Contains desciptions of sexual abuse
Vulnerable women and girls as young as 14 are being lured into a world of forced sex by gangs in London, evidence uncovered by the BBC has found.
Some told us they had been raped by several men as "payment" for unpaid drug debts run up by the gangs that controlled them, while others said they had been groomed just for sex.
Our evidence - based on interviews with dozens of people in the capital over several weeks, including five survivors of gang-based violence - also shows how girls are often lured by groups of men into dealing drugs, trading weapons and stealing phones.
One police officer in London said young girls and women were the "lowest rung" in gangs and were groomed and exploited "for everything".
Public attention on grooming gangs has often centred on the north of England. A government-commissioned report last yearfound in three regions - Greater Manchester, South Yorkshire and West Yorkshire - there was enough evidence to show "disproportionate numbers of men from Asian ethnic backgrounds amongst suspects for group-based child sexual exploitation".
….
Milly, not her real name, told the BBC her experience of grooming gangs in London did not involve selling drugs and mirrored what had happened in towns and cities such as Rotherham, Rochdale and Oldham.
They just give us drink, give us drugs. Next thing I know, I'd just be in the bedroom with one of them. Then I'd come out. Could be another one. After that it could be another one. Sometimes it was only one. Sometimes it could be three. And then we'd just leave really."
She said, even though it had happened a few years ago, she couldn't recall many of the details because she had been so intoxicated at the time.
"I don't remember their names really. It sounds horrible, but I just know they were [South] Asian.
Sometimes they just said, 'Oh, you're a nice, young white girl'."
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjd9xnjyy8po?app-referrer=deep-link

There is a bloke who, in my opinion, is a massive grifter - soliciting donations ‘for his work’ etc; he’s been all over this in a rather worrying way, I’d say inflammatory. He posts as JAOC and purports to be an ‘investigator’. Very worrying when external agitators get involved to the extent he has

You’re comparing two different times dear,

I know for instance that the "arrests" made outside the Epping hotel included the police stopping cars directly outside the hotel speeding along the long road at 3am and breathalysing the drivers. They did this so that they could claim that arrests were made at the scene (even though it was completely unrelated). And then the police wonder why no one trusts them.

Omg - that is a whole new level of dishonesty and manipulation!!

Certainly, police handling of the protest in Epsom sounded unusually heavy handed. Where, in other situations where there has been even larger scale public disorder and actual looting etc (the incident with young people marauding in London), they are all about the ‘de-escalation’ and very hands off, in Epsom they turned up in full riot gear and inflamed the situation further.

This article looks at the contrast in policing between differing groups.

https://spectator.com/article/epsom-betrays-the-truth-about-britains-politicised-police-force/

Well, that extremely honest man Sir Keir Starmer KCB KC says all this stuff boils down to "far right thugs" and "misinformation", and no doubt that's good enough for lots of people.

I'm a bit more cynical, because I'm well acquainted with how the extremism and counter-extremism industry in this country works. The demand for the "far right" vastly outstrips the supply, so there's a well worn bit of kabuki theatre where Tommy-adjacent lads (heavily infiltrated by state assets) congregate in a town, and the Socialist Workers Party (also heavily infiltrated by state assets) go to the same town, both "sides" give it some aggro, and everyone goes home.

This then justifies the idea that there's some kind of serious far-right threat to community cohesion, which justifies (for example) the National Lottery giving a million quid to Hope Not Hate - which they just did.

It's all a bit of a racket.

The Pink Ladies and similar hotel protests really do scare the powers that be, because these are mostly spontaneous protests, locally organised, normies are joining them, and they really are motivated by sexual assaults that are really happening.

This means there's a problem, and the government and police aren't really set up to deal with that problem. They're much more comfortable setting Tommy and the SWP into action for another round of kabuki theatre.

I don't think this is sustainable.

Can you provide some evidence of all this and the names of the organisers please?

And all based on misinformation spread online

Again, it wasn’t ’misinformation spread online’, it was an apparently genuine report of a very serious crime and we are still none the wiser on what actually happened.

We have various accounts of what ‘didn’t’ happen but nothing to explain what did.

I take it you were there then?

Why are you asking if I was there - you are the one making claims about the political views and motivations of all the protestors.

You lump in all the protests around the country into one (like Epsom and Epping), and then as soon as it's pointed out you change the goalposts again.

I have no doubt that there were a lot of drunken thugs at Epsom. But to start calling Pink Ladies groups "far-right" because they organise protests?

I know for instance that the "arrests" made outside the Epping hotel included the police stopping cars directly outside the hotel speeding along the long road at 3am and breathalysing the drivers. They did this so that they could claim that arrests were made at the scene (even though it was completely unrelated). And then the police wonder why no one trusts them.

The ones that were reported on, going to hotels (normal hotels) thinking they were asylum hotels, looking for immigrants in their own homes, telling people to 'go home' or 'back on the boat they came from', stopping cars, making racist comments, the ones organised by indeed, far right groups. Is that good enough for you?

And all based on misinformation spread online over something it seems didn't happen and didn't happen by asylum seekers or immigrants. I take it you were there then?

That’s so ridiculous I’m embarassed for you.

Getting some of those "lol you dumbos probably believe grooming gangs are real and not something Yaxley Lennon made up" vibes that were so common a few years ago.

What do you mean by the ‘far right lot’ and how did you identify them?

I take it you were there and found out their views on all matters ‘far right’?

Having a few peaceful protestors among the far right lot doesn't make it peaceful.

Vast majority of Epsom wasn't peaceful.
Go look up the chaps who organised it and tell me they are not linked to far right - without lying.

It’s not like it hasn’t happened before.

I don't think that's accurate. The nationality of suspects per that document as far as I can gather is:

British 17.5%
Foreign 7.1%
Not shown 75.4%

I don't think we can draw any conclusions without knowing the breakdown of that huge "not shown" category. I'm not even sure what it means as there is a separate "unknown" category. I also noticed USSR as a nationality on there...

It was an foi response from the Metropolitan police.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/gang_rape_statistics

You have also continued with this:

In the case of Epsom, there was no solid information to protest to but it didn't stop the stella swilling thugs did it? Didn't stop them looking at hotels, accusing them incorrectly as housing asylum seekers, chanting racist language, blocking cars, getting violent, knocking on doors looking for migrants, making locals feel unsafe.
If people do not wish for others to label these 'protests' as anything than far-right, then perhaps the far-right should stop being racist while protesting and actually have the interests of people at heart. I repeat, it's not about protecting or protesting against harm to women

You are lumping everyone in together and attacking them by the lowest common denominator. That’s what I mean by smearing.

I saw the terms of the scheme but as there has been growing concern at age fraud suspected in asylum seekers I’m not sure this is as reasonable as you make out.

There have been increasing reports of this happening with a quarter of all claimed child asylum seekers found to be actually adults on examination.

Adults are exploiting our rules.

According to the Home Office statistics, between January 2018 and March 2022 (the most recent figures available), 14,208 people who identified or were identified as unaccompanied children claimed asylum in the UK.
During that period, 4,814 such age dispute cases were resolved. This is where Home Office staff doubt the age of the person claiming to be a child and the claimant doesn’t have reliable documentary evidence to prove their claim.
In total, 2,722 people claiming to be unaccompanied children were actually deemed to be adults—equivalent to 19% of all 14,208 unaccompanied children. (In practice, not all of the age disputes raised or resolved in this period would have been relating to asylum claims made during this period, so the rate is indicative, not precise)

fullfact.org/immigration/child-asylum-seekers-adults/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Home%20Office,evidence%20to%20prove%20their%20claim.&text=However%2C%20The%20Sun's%20figure%20of,reported%20in%20the%20Express%20instead.