Can't believe I'm writing this, but disappointed in JK today

Who do you need to persuade in order to win that fight?

If your position doesn’t even fly on the feminism boards of MN, it’s not going to persuade many normies off it.

I’m someone who fully supports the right of women (or men) not to use compelled pronouns. I don’t agree with compulsion in the other direction either.

Did something happen to you personally to make you so militant in your views around trans people? Genuine question.

This.

I think we really really really need to be clear about this distinction. Especially those of us with trans-identified young relatives/family members/friends.

A PP said "By doing this she's saying that a man can somehow earn the right to be referred to by female pronouns by behaving a certain way..."

Quite. Well, then we need to know what are the criteria - exactly what way of behaving counts. And who decides those criteria. And who decides which individuals satisfy the criteria and get to be called 'she' and 'her' and which ones don't.

One of the main ways important battles were won was by building a large coalition, a lot of it here on MN.

That coalition would have been a fraction of the size if the movement also insisted on telling women how they must or mustn’t refer to their friends.

That wasn’t a crucial battle, and making it a shibboleth now won’t help win over the rest of the population.

'My friend's daughter, Chloe is lovely. She is really great with children. She's looking for a babysitting job. Do you want her number?'

(I mean, I know Chloe is really a lad, but I like her and I think respecting pronouns is kind.)

No reason why we need to be clear about language, eh? As long as I like the person it's all grand, right? At what point would the truth being revealed be ok to you?

I can't even take such a simplistic view seriously.

OP how often do you actually interact or deal with the general public, never mind trans people?

In real life, a position like this just isn't realistic.

I'm gender critical and I have no problem with this. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm sure she'd be devastated to know she's disappointed you. 😉

Well that's a nonsense isn't it because we all have opinions about lots of important people who wouldn't care what we individually think. JKR has published this comment on twitter for us to read, so she does want people to read it and form an opinion about it.

If you’re disappointed in her you haven’t been paying attention. This has always been her position.

Purity spirals are for those who face no real challenges
I CBA with them

It is imperative that:

• men are recognised as and treated as men in law and policy, to protect women and children;
• news reports, public records, and public officials at work use correctly sexed pronouns, because the public have the right to know that convicted sex offender "Marie Dean" is a man;
• people are not compelled to use incorrectly sexed pronouns at work or to access public services.

How friends refer to each other is a private matter, so henceup to them. There's no public interest, safeguarding, or human rights infringement when JKR refers to a male friend as "she". It's not a choice I'd make, but I'm not going to condemn her for making it.

I'm sure she'd be devastated to know she's disappointed you. 😉

"Does she not realise there can be NO EXCEPTIONS?

Sorry, but who passed a law to say all gender-critical/sex realist people have to think and behave exactly the same? We are not a hive mind. We are many, many individuals at different stages of working out what we think and believe on this issue and trying to apply it to our own lives and situations. JKR has spoken out and continues to do so, while also using her wealth to better the lives of women and children. You have no right to demand she or anyone else behaves exactly as you do.

I think "female coded energy" is a stupid phrase. But we all say silly things from time to time.

But other than that i think we should be allowed to use the pronouns we wasn't for someone. So if you chose to call your TW friend she/ her then cool. But if you choose not to then that's also OK IMO.

I've got a TW friend, Sarah. Sarah has said things like "when I was a little boy" and only ever refers to themselves as a TW, never a woman. Someone else I know, who doesn't know Sarah and is a full on TRA has told me it's disgusting that I refer to Sarah as a TW, that it's incorrect to say Sarah was a little boy and that Sarah is a woman and always has been. Interesting that Sarah would disagree! If someone refers to Sarah as a man/he/him then they respond politely.

I don't get what's disappointing? JK is describing a friendship and illustrating that we can care for and enjoy the company of all sorts of people, being courteous and respectful along the way. I have a close trans relative

You lost me at "...there can be no exceptions!" -to me, a dyed in the wool biological essentialist- it's not about whether someone 'cherry picks'. The truth of biology is unimpinged irrespective of the pronouns we use to address one another.

Genuinely starting to think OP is a TRA who has come on here to ragebait us and is failing. Either that or they are very young.

Bit dramatic @RobynMiller. You didn't write the rulebook. JKR can feel whatever way she wants. As can everyone else.