Aren't transpeople still a tiny minority?

@BettyBooper I would like people to change the rhetoric.

I would like people on here to stop mocking transpeople with the line "stunning and brave" or suggesting that any person who loves and defends a trans person expects them to be "fawned over " whilst loudly declaring their family member is a man and plopping "he" as an entire post. It's just not constructive. I am not asking you to respect someone's pronouns, but surely you can see an entire post that just says the word "he" in response to me explaining a viewpoint is just inflammatory and unnecessary?

I would like people to stop making out that every transperson is perverted, fetishistic or mentally ill. I would like to stop the hyperbole around fringe trans people like Isla Bryson.

I would like people to acknowledge that trans people are heterogeneous like other groups. If anything, perhaps the largest subgroup especially among young adult trans women is autistic and rather vulnerable.

I would like people to say "look, we appreciate that most trans women are just trying to live their lives, but it's important to acknowledge that ordinary women have rights that clash and we cannot validate trans people simply by allowing access to female spaces and awards. It should never have been on the table and the lobbying didn't consider the needs or rights of natal women. There are women who will then be excluded, including some religious women, those who have a history of trauma, and so on. So it doesn't work for us.

We can also see it doesn't work for you to be forced into a male toilet or a male hospital ward when you are sick and vulnerable.

Let's work together on solutions that enable privacy and dignity for ALL".

So what public spaces are we talking of? I’m confused. Do explain your reasoning and why women should allow men into female spaces.

@TheKeatingFive my whole point is we have given away public spaces to austerity and the selling off of the public good. There arent these public spaces that people speak off. And the fact that the moral panic regarding this issue flagged up by the right wing press happened at the same time as the public spaces disappeared from view is in itself my concern.

For all of those who say - of it's fine - what we actually mean isnt public spaces (because those are gone) but private spaces that we occasionally get ot use if one has enough money is actually the privileged voices. My point is there arent the libraries, free leisure centers, toilets etc that are the precise spaces people are so worried about. Instead we have privatised spaces that lots of women have no access to but not because of trans community but because they are simply not rich enough - not everyone can access private leisure centers, universities, coffee shops to make use of basic facilities. Far more women have been made unsafe by the removal of these public goods than the unlikely scenario of a trans rapist getting into an M&S changing room. However, the fact that thousands of women are raped each year and their rapists are not prosecuted because of a lack of police provision is a real issue - that is a mainstrea issue.

@TheKeatingFive The question is whether or not it's a marginal issue - and the mainstreaming of a marginal issue at the same time as austerity rather than the transcommunity took away women's protection is indeed a misdirected moral panic.

"Moreover, the fact all members of this group of friends identify as trans suggests that social contagion is playing a role"

They met at trans swimming....

So what public spaces are we talking of? I’m confused. Do explain your reasoning and why women should allow men into female spaces.

There arent the public spaces you talk of......

There arent the public spaces you talk of......

@TheKeatingFive my whole point is we have given away public spaces to austerity and the selling off of the public good. There arent these public spaces that people speak off. And the fact that the moral panic regarding this issue flagged up by the right wing press happened at the same time as the public spaces disappeared from view is in itself my concern.

For all of those who say - of it's fine - what we actually mean isnt public spaces (because those are gone) but private spaces that we occasionally get ot use if one has enough money is actually the privileged voices. My point is there arent the libraries, free leisure centers, toilets etc that are the precise spaces people are so worried about. Instead we have privatised spaces that lots of women have no access to but not because of trans community but because they are simply not rich enough - not everyone can access private leisure centers, universities, coffee shops to make use of basic facilities. Far more women have been made unsafe by the removal of these public goods than the unlikely scenario of a trans rapist getting into an M&S changing room. However, the fact that thousands of women are raped each year and their rapists are not prosecuted because of a lack of police provision is a real issue - that is a mainstrea issue.

@TheKeatingFive The question is whether or not it's a marginal issue - and the mainstreaming of a marginal issue at the same time as austerity rather than the transcommunity took away women's protection is indeed a misdirected moral panic.

@TheKeatingFive The question is whether or not it's a marginal issue - and the mainstreaming of a marginal issue at the same time as austerity rather than the transcommunity took away women's protection is indeed a misdirected moral panic.

He was 16 when he first experienced gender issues as 23 when he finally told us. Hth.

@FlirtsWithRhinos it's not privilege; look at stats. I didn't say that everywhere else safe, I was replying to pp who pointed out that we lock doors because of burglaries and I pointed out that if you are worried about crime, then burglaries are not such a concern anymore.

I also didnt say rape is legal but that it has effectively been legalized because hardly anyone gets prosecuted for it. Therefore, if one rapes someone, they get away with it.

My point is that at the same time as right wing hysteria has made trans issues such a moral panic, other forms of protections for women have disappeared and no one seems to care. Policing, social s e vices, adequate health facilities, safer streets, public support systems are all gone but again no one cares.