Aren't transpeople still a tiny minority?

That's my point.

The "body map" isn't actually a map of the body, it's more like an emergent mental self image the (sub?)consciousness has produced. It's usually quite close to the real body but it's not actually connected to it. It is not authorative, if you like.

This matters because the "wrong body" narrative and genuine experiences of like yours are used to evidence the claim that due to some sort of DSD of the mind the wrong map was somehow installed meaming there's a "real" consciousness of the opposite sex in there - I've seen that claim from more than one trans or trans-ally poster on FWR.

So my point is even when that body map is genuinely experienced, it is still just a projection of the person's mind and of how their own beliefs and experiences affect their interpretation of reality. It has no real connection to the opposite sex at all.

Where do we begin?
The Census was so badly worded the stats were withdrawn.
Yes, there has been a huge rise in people identifying as trans, and the Tavistock data confirms.
At the end of the day, transwomen are men. Some may be castrated or medicalised in ways which render them less of a threat, others are predatory men who identify as women because it turns them on or gives them greater access to women.
Facilitating men who want to access to women's single-sex spaces is and will always be a risk to women

Over about fifteen years, I've noticed growing awareness and concern about transpeople. This may be my age and simply a case of when people I knew started to transition.
What I'm wondering is whether there are statistics further to the last census on how many people are transitioning or have transitioned. This is because I'm pretty sure that men are still a bigger threat to women's safety than transgender (m-f) women are. I'm not saying that no transwoman poses a risk to women, I'm querying whether, statistically, I'm better off crossing the road to avoid a cisgender man or a transgender woman (if, hypothetically, one were on each side of the road).

if the brain thought it had a penis when it actually has a short urethra, would one not be incontinent because the brain tries to fire non-existent nerves?

I don't think it necessarily would. Someone with phantom limb syndrome still feels pain in a limb that is no longer there. This seems similar to me: you feel like you have a body part that isn't there. It's also similar to how someone with anorexia genuinely believes they are fat.

Body image (one's internal view of one's body) is different than body schema (the sensorimotor representation of the body that integrates inputs from multiple sensory modalities, including vision, touch, proprioception, and vestibular signals and generally operates unconsciously). One can be disrupted while the other works well. A person with damage to their body schema might have trouble coordinating movements even though they can correctly describe their body, while someone with a distorted body image might move through space with no difficulty but perceive their body as a very different size or shape than it actually is.

Definitely, but can imagine what would happen is that they will demand to be treated as the other blood type, sue everyone who doesn’t capitulate.. then sue everyone who does capitulate when it all goes wrong as expected?

Exactly. Just as someone -O cannot know what it is like to be AB positive. Maybe if the O- people stopped demanding to be seen and treated as AB+ things would be a lot better don’t you think?

As a type O- person, I just wish everyone who is not O- would stop fetishizing and appropriating my blood. They can’t know what it is like to be O-.

lol as if!! Onepost only has one mode - meeeeeee

We've got some great discussions going on at the moment. How about, for once, you try to add something constructive or, better still, read and learn.

I should think if a load of Type O and Rh- patients started dying after blood transfusions, there probably would be a few articles, and government action. I'd hope that doctors pointing out the problem wouldn't get sacked for their transAB-phobia.

Oh, wait, were you trying to do sarcasm? Bless.

I always found it hard to believe that one could be born with a correct body map that was just wrong for ones body. Broken/flawed map yes, but accurate map of body parts one doesn't have? No. I mean just simplisticly, if the brain thought it had a penis when it actually has a short urethra, would one not be incontinent because the brain tries to fire non-existent nerves? And why always sex, rather than, say, a 6ft man with a 5ft body map?

And it turns out that what is super interesting is that ones body map is not built in, but controlled by ones external image of oneself

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_transfer_illusion

Which creates a fascinating chicken and egg question between starting to think of oneself as trans and the "wrong body map" experience.

Obviouly the child should immediately and forever stop co-opting AB- reality and stay out of AB- spaces. Governments shall enact laws to protect AB- safety and dignity. 1000s of newspaper articles must be annually published decrying the evils of false AB- identity.

Obviouly the child should immediately and forever stop co-opting AB- reality and stay out of AB- spaces. Governments shall enact laws to protect AB- safety and dignity. 1000s of newspaper articles must be annually published decrying the evils of false AB- identity.

@Diverze I will never be in agreement with you on this. Your child's rights are in conflict with my child's rights
so you believe that your child should have the right to do what they want regardless of legislation?
that the theology of trans is equivalent to factual biology?
if your child is for example type O+ blood, but wants to identify as type AB- and they require a transfusion, will you ignore the science and go with their belief because they are equally important? Even though this would create a life threatening immuno response?
they KNOW they should be AB- despite what biology says?

No, they aren't, because as a cohort they are highly introverted with significant social communication deficits. They were always going to exist in liminal spaces.

I wish that TRAs and 'sex realists' would recognise their existence and advocate with them in mind. They are much less bothered about being allowed in women's spaces and much more bothered at feeling like there is a space for them.

I always found it hard to believe that one could be born with a correct body map that was just wrong for ones body. Broken/flawed map yes, but accurate map of body parts one doesn't have? No. I mean just simplisticly, if the brain thought it had a penis when it actually has a short urethra, would one not be incontinent because the brain tries to fire non-existent nerves? And why always sex, rather than, say, a 6ft man with a 5ft body map?

And it turns out that what is super interesting is that ones body map is not built in, but controlled by ones external image of oneself

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_transfer_illusion

Which creates a fascinating chicken and egg question between starting to think of oneself as trans and the "wrong body map" experience.

TheKeatingFive
It's perfectly acceptable for women to dress in a more male coded way - so that has to apply across sexes I think.

I think that's a 'Discuss in 3,000 words or less' essay title, to be honest
The reasons why it is socially acceptable for women to dress in a male-coded way but not the opposite are complex, and include status - in a society where male-coded =high status, and female=low status, females crossing the code are referring to a high status which is socially harmless because they will never have the higher status of men.

Men crossing the dressing code have been seen as referring to a lower status, and therefore not socially acceptable, and associated with fetish or some kind of 'aberration'.

All of that should have been thrown out decades ago in a bonfire of the gender stereotypes, but I suggest that 'men dressing in women's clothes' as in female-coded clothes is still less socially acceptable than 'women dressing in men's clothes'.

I'm not saying that I agree with that, I'm just saying that there isn't a 1:1 equivalence, and men dressing female-coded clothes is still a bit... questionable.

If they are wearing female-coded clothes plus other things like wearing make-up, calling themselves by a female name, and using the women's toilets, the clothes take on a different significance.

I agree that the term "trans" is unclear. I think the umbrella term muddies a bunch of different things and confuses rather than clarifies.

It can mean gender stereotypes, a fetish, discomfort with one's body or gender role, or many other things. For me, sometimes my internal body map is male. I don't know why, it's odd and I cognitively know that I still have a female body. But I've known others whose internal map is consistently different than their body, i.e., it is male while they are female or female while they are male. I think that would be difficult to live with and have a lot of empathy for them.

I think that's a big component for some trans people, though not all (most?) of them.

What is Somatognosia? The Brain’s Map of the Body - Biology Insights

It is not the sign on the door, it is the women in the space. That is why it was not enough for Dr Upton to use the female nurses changing room, he wanted Sandie Peggie to undress in front of him too.

They aren't yet acknowledging that trans people do have a right to present as they wish and to move through life with dignity.

I don't see that anyone has an issue with this.

Men can present how they want. No one should be discriminated against for presenting in a way that isn't typical for their sex.

But we aren't going to pretend that men can become women - in any way, which includes language.

It really is that simple. I'm not sure what else you want from people.