Aren't transpeople still a tiny minority?

What if you were walking along and the options were a male who thinks he’s Henry the 8th and any female that doesn’t subjugate to him should be beheaded, or another female?

Interesting that all @Diverze kids friends are ALL autistic.

There's a very strong link between autism and people pretending to be women/men

I know the answer to that one. They’d say it was outing / othering / triggering / genicidal.

I wonder sometimes what would happen if, all toilets suddenly had a 'trans' option, plus sport, plus changing rooms, rape crisis/refuges etc. Would this satisfy the male trans population or would they say there is no need, we want to be with the women and what this would signify.

As long as it’s an actual bear & not a furry.

I was thinking I would choose the bear too.

I'd look for a bear to walk next to.

Excellent point! If you’re walking home in the dark and there’s a transwoman on one side of the street and an actual woman on the other, which side would you cross to, OP and why?

There are plenty of males who are gentle souls who wouldn't hurt a fly. Unfortunately for us females, predatory males don't come with warning lights. That's why we have single sex spaces. To exclude ALL males just in case.

We also have single sex spaces for our comfort and dignity. A male who chooses to identify as a woman has absolutely no right to invade those spaces. Nether legally nor morally.

Thing is, transwomen are men. And we have laws and safeguarding policies in place to protect and provide dignity/privacy to women and men.

We have these laws and policies in place to mitigate the risk of discrimination and harm. And by their nature, there will always be situations that these laws and policies don’t work for. But you can’t make policy and law around edge cases or based on individuals being “lovely” or “nice” or “just wanting to live their lives”

The vast majority of teachers are not out to groom young people for nefarious reasons. But we still have safeguarding in place to protect young people from any teacher who is a wrong-un - because they don’t go around with a sign above their head telling everyone they are a bad apple.

Same with transwomen. They are men and we have to ensure they adhere to the same safeguards that all men (and women) are bound by when it comes to single sex spaces and provisions.

Once you start making edge case exceptions for transwomen, you destroy safeguarding and anti-discrimination policies because then ANY man can use this as a loophole to do harm and gain benefits from women.

It really doesn’t matter whether your child is gentle or is not, if your child is not female they are not any type of female person.

They may not be forcing a demand, but the very fact that they want to be treated, even just in language, as female when they are not, is making a demand. Because they are the male person who demands female language to be able to live as they want to live.

There is no way that your child is experiencing the life of a female, yet expects female language to be used by anyone, even if it is not a general societal expectation. By wanting to live as something that they are never going to be is about having their subjective reality treated as if it is material reality for anyone else.

It also revolves around sexist conceptualisations because it means a male person cannot live life as being any kind of male person he wants, he feels instead that if he doesn’t fit his own sexist categorisation of what a male person is, he must be female somehow. Any use of female language for a male person is harmful collectively for female people.

I’m sure trans women want the comparator under equality law to be with ordinary women. So if we were comparing a normal woman and a trans woman, hands down, cross the road to the side with the woman on it. No statistics will tell you otherwise.

cis is an offensive term HTH.

Well, plenty of people of either sex happily sign up to sexism to keep a sexist man they love happy, so you aren't an outlier.

I'm not going to agree that the fact one man is made happier by playacting his sexist ideas about woman's minds makes it ok.

The debate is not really about trans identities, it’s about men. Once you let some men in, you let all men in. There is no longer gate keeping. This was baked into gender ideology with its insistence that one’s gender expression ( how you dress and look) does not need to match your gender identity.

We can’t tell which men are the ‘nice’ ones so we keep all men out of women’s spaces.

And statistically she’d be better off sticking with the “cis” man anyway.

'I'm querying whether, statistically, I'm better off crossing the road to avoid a cisgender man or a transgender woman'

You are asking if you are better off crossing the road to avoid a man or a man. It's a puzzle.

@Diverze Does your trans identifying son use any women’s spaces? Do they use women’s bathrooms or changing rooms? Do they and their friend feel entitled to control other people’s perceptions of them? Are you confident that as a society indulging these delusions in young people, especially autistic young people doesn’t create issues further down the line when they realise that they are not and cannot ever be the opposite sex? Are you fully confident that either they or their friends won’t ever feel entitled to access women’s spaces?

It may be that your trans identified son will never want to access women’s spaces or demand to be seen as the sex he is not and instead just be happy to imagine himself as a woman regardless of what others will see and if so, fine that would be very rare though.

Again this is a fundamental misunderstanding of statistics and likelihood. The risk measured against individual males it’s just as high and possibly higher with trans identified males

I never said you didn't. My true feelings are that if born 40 years ago she wouldn't be trans; she was told at school about gender identities and being autistic took it literally. Maybe she'd have been a transvestite or secret cross dresser, who knows. I am in favour of restricting that sort of teaching and keeping transition to adults only (my daughter is an adult).

If it makes you feel better to call my youngster "him" go ahead and do it, but I will call her she, thanks very much. I can see how very much happier, more confident and more functional she is knowing that our family is accepting of her however she presents and whatever she feels inside. We all understand that she is male but wishes to go through life as if she were female, that people will often read her as male and use those pronouns, that she was once a little boy we all deeply loved and we will not be removing family pictures of that little boy. It is a hard road to travel as a family and we grieved. But in the end this is how she is happy - and she really is, it's like night and day.

Anyway it's always good to have an early morning faux naive post to give a chance to explain for the millionth time that it doesn't matter how sad the men are that despite growing their hair, wearing a dress and you know everything!! They're still men and that they never lose their profound sense of male entitlement

how do we know TW are men? Well because when men said they were women the government, the media, the nhs, the arts, universities everyone said "of course you are!" and when actual women said "um no of course men are not women" those very same institutions said "sorry can't hear you ladies, your voices must be too shrill or something"

Why are you paying attention to those two burglars trying to break your locks? They're a tiny minority of burglars! In fact why are you locking your doors at all? Burglars will steal from you anyway.

You have misunderstood statistics fundamentally here.

Yes, there are far more males than trans identified males

Yes, as a whole of the population, you are more likely to suffer harm from a male than a trans identified male. That’s a population issue. Not an individual risk.

No, you are not safer to cross the road to walk next to a trans identified male than a male because in that instance you were just talking about two males

Interestingly if you look at the UK male prison population 20% of the male population is in for sexual assault and 60% of the trans identified male population is in the sexual assault so perhaps with your road crossing example you could reevaluate

in addition, yes trans identities have until quite recently been on the increase more people as well as folding cross dressing and transvestites under one banner called trans. That has recently taken a nose live with young people which I considered to be good news for everybody.

I don't think anyone here has been campaigning against transgender ideology because we think women cross the road to avoid men in general in public.

We campaign against it for a number of reasons but the OP has asked about safety. The issue is that allowing men pretending to be women in allows any and all predatory men into women's spaces, because all they have to do is announce they are trans.

As has been said many times before, good men stay out so bad men stand out. That's why we need to not blur the boundary, women only in women's spaces.

Well, the stats clearly show that transwomen are more likely to be sex offenders than any other group, so it’s sensible to be wary of them when you’re in a vulnerable position, no?

Obviously, there are vastly more men who don’t identify as trans, so you’re more likely to be assaulted by them just because you’re more likely to be around them more often but that doesn’t mean transwomen aren’t a threat too.

They’re all just men at the end of the day and we need to keep them all out of women’s single-sex spaces.