Aren't transpeople still a tiny minority?

We don’t fear transwomen, we fear men.

Transwomen are men. It may make them sad to hear that but that is not my problem.

I think OP is genuine, she's got posting history and posted on FWR and other topics before.

I think the whole ‘trans’ element is a red herring when talking about the risk to women.

Ultimately men commit most of the violent and sexual crime. If you create a legal loophole that allows dangerous men to ‘identify’ as something that gives them a free pass to the chicken coup they’re going to use it. And girls and women will get hurt.

Whether that male bodied individual has genuine body dysmorphia is neither here nor there. The biggest measure to keep women safe is strict adherence to single sex spaces.

It’s so blindingly obvious.

I’m always reminded of this.

The vast majority of men don't pose a threat and just want to get on with their lives and in most situations it is unlawful to treat men and women differently.

The law distinguishes between men and women and allows discrimination in some circumstances where sex is relevant.

Men who identify as trans are no more being excluded than men who like making jam or men who who use a wheelchair or men who are Buddhist monks. They are all just men.

Yes, it is a minority issue. All the stats shown above only demonstrate that it is indeed a minority issue. There are 82,000 male inmates. Of even a few hundred of them are trans rapists...it is indeed a drop in the ocean. You are probably more likely to die coming out of a bath than be raped by a trans woman. But yes let's all fear them and not the other highly unlikely events.

We seem to have another plop-n-run from OP. I thought the school holidays were over…

There are no "trans" people or "Cis" people, only humans who are all either male or female right down to their DNA. Clothes change nothing.

Oh my goodness, I haven’t seen these stats before, that’s shocking!!!

Men who get their, ahem, jollies, wearing a fantasy version of what they imagine women wear. Nothing to do with actual women.

I wonder if being threatened and intimidated by those male people who are supposedly the ‘righteous’ ones has stripped away any remaining emotionally evoked supportive reactions that might have been there?

Having had male people yelling abuse at me because I attended a meeting discussing female people’s rights and needs makes me very aware of how someone’s righteous loved one could end up being the extremist. I don’t know of any women protesting female single sex provisions who threaten and intimidate. And very rarely do women turn up to silence a trans inclusive event.

There really is no symmetry at all in the reactions and the threats and intimidation is never justified in any way. Yet once you see the male reaction to being told ‘no’, it must take some suppression to ‘unsee’ it.

Both men and women (don’t think there are any kids in the group). The group is unrelated to anything trans but every time he posts something that is actually related, he OF COURSE has to mention he is trans.

And I’m guessing most people who gush are just following the ‘be kind’ mantra, and it’s never been an issue for them.

Why would anyone think that a man who called themselves Bill yesterday and identified as Brenda today was somehow a different person? We all know the difference between men and women and why women are wary of some men. It’s not rocket science.

It's irrelevant. There's enough to be a problem. Why?

Because it's not about how many transwomen there. It's about the impact a single transwomen has. One transwomen over the course of years if they decide to invade women's only space will violate the privacy and dignity of hundreds of not thousands of women. One transwoman in sport has an impact on every woman in that event - so football, it's every one on their own team and everyone they play.

And one transman who has significant complications and health problems as a direct result of transition is going to cost the NHS thousands more than someone who hasn't transitioned. That has an impact on everyone. And that's without considering detransitioners and possible future compensation claims.

So even a small number matters and is significant.

Men with curly ginger hair are also a tiny minority. What’s your point?

Ewww!! I agree.

I’m probably most cautious when I’ve been to a women’s rights event & I’m wearing a WRN or Adult Human Female or Keep Prisons Single Sex top.

There was one lovely occasion when I was with 2 other women, none of us above 5 foot 2, & we were surrounded by TRAs. Fortunately the police turned up soon after.

Are you suggesting that the only reason for keeping trans women out of women's spaces are we can't tell them from the predators? I disagree. Even if we could tell the "true" trans women from the fetishists, and predators , I still think it's fine to want spaces free of men.

So @Waheymum to answer your OP.

”I'm pretty sure that men are still a bigger threat to women's safety than transgender (m-f) women are.”

If you are talking in raw numbers, sure there are less male people who have declared that they have transgender identities. So what?

The risk factor is the key. And there is no evidence at all that a male person with a transgender identity is less likely to cause a female person harm than any other male person. So, that male person on one side of the street carries the same risk of harm as the male person on the other side of the street.

That also makes sense when you consider the studies have now shown that male people retain male pubertal advantages even with suppression of testosterone which includes male people having 160% punch power.

We build risk factors by reviewing the crime data and criminality patterns of the population.

You saying ‘there are less male people with a transgender identity’ is meaningless in the context of understanding the risk assessment.

Real ones? I would say they are a tiny minority.

Those pretending to be transgender to have access to women, women spaces and vulnerable women, are they really transgenders? Don’t think so. At all.

But it only takes one. Are you willing to put your hand up and offer to take one for the team? Are you willing to be the one so the rest of us aren’t?

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Joking aside, I don't cross the street to avoid anyone. Male, female, trans, not trans, old, young, race, whatever. Most people, including most men whatever gender they present as, are not an immediate physical or sexual threat.

That doesn't mean trans women alone, out of all the men who aren't a threat, should get special access to women because they are somehow mentally "more like women" than other men are.

And it doesn't stop the collective entitlement of men over women being a systemic threat to women's safety: sexual and physical yes, but also emotional, financial and social, and the chilling effect this has on how we move through society and on whether we have the practical freedom to make full use of our theoretically equal opportunities.

The whole problem with gender ideology is that it allows any man to claim to be a woman and access women’s facilities and activities.

You only have to think about it a short while to work out which men are most likely to take advantage of this opportunity.

Who's doing the gushing? And, more interestingly, why?

If they all really stay out of female spaces, which I assume means using unisex ones when possible & male ones when not, that’s at least an improvement.

I remember when there was a trans-identifying bloke on a panel at FiLiA (not Hayton) who said that if a unisex space wasn’t available he’d use the women’s one. That was very unpopular with the audience, & he was meant to be one of the reasonable ones.