Aren't transpeople still a tiny minority?

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Sorry. Editing error.

Relevant not irrelevant

Lol at the poster dismissing women caring about safety, fairness and sexism as getting "riled up" 😂

Let the boys have their fun, right? They aren't really harming anyone. Not anyone who matters, anyway. Right?

Yes this stood out to me too. Very strange that.

Transgender males have a weak grip on reality, stereotyped views of women, and often a high degree of resentment towards women. I would not tend to expect that these factors would lead to them being less dangerous to women than other males.

How is this whataboutery irrelevant to the discussion of the topic?

They are meeeeeeeennnnnnn and like all men we can't tell the difference between the lovely men and the awful ones

that's why we keep all men out

it's really not that hard to understand

A cisgender bear or a transgender bear?

You don’t seem to understand the points the statistics make or the contextual point relevant to the OP. nor safeguarding.

“But yes let's all fear them and not the other highly unlikely events.”

Do you wear a seatbelt? Lock your car? Lock your front and back door?

I dunno, as a Feminist I'm kind of down on society endorsing sexism like that. I think it's bad for women (the female ones).

@legy "Does your trans identifying son use any women’s spaces? Do they use women’s bathrooms or changing rooms? Do they and their friend feel entitled to control other people’s perceptions of them?"

I already answered all this.

DC uses the changing rooms assigned for women during the swimming session where everyone swimming is trans. The pool and changing is private and no other people except the trans swimmers are using them during that period. DC began using the disabled changing during these sessions but switched to women's when assured that no one else would be in the space except the trans group, so no one would be distressed.
When out DC doesn't use the bathroom. If they must go they use a third space if possible, or the gents if no third space is available.

I don't know about their friends but DC doesn't bother correcting people who use "him" when out and about. She tends to wear trousers and docs. She has never actually asked us to use she/her pronouns but did ask us to adopt her new name.

I don't know why people feel the need to ask questions at this level of detail about our experience. It feels quite intrusive and "no true Scotsman" like. It does happen every time.

If you choose to explore my posting history you will see DC first had gender identity issues as a teen. We never explicitly acknowledged these as a family, stayed away from any medical professionals, and for a number of years I thought those issues had resolved and retreated and was very proud of myself, even though during this period DC's mental health and functionality was dreadful. Eventually at age 23 DC began to spiral back down to a very dark place indeed and it transpired that this was due to their ongoing gender identity issues. By this point they had felt this way for 8 years with no validation or cheerleading. If course they were by then adult and we weren't able to do anything about it if they decided to change their name and clothing etc.

What I hadn't anticipated was how much happier she would be since transitioning (and she hasn't started hormones or anything, we are in a waiting list). I am not talking euphoria. I am talking just lighter, less introspective, more engaged in life. And that's whilst knowing that many people think her being trans is a delusion/disgusting/ perverted/ threatening.

Please for the love of God, don't bring people with a DSD into the argument. People who have a DSD are still male or female.

What about intersex people? People with DSD are still either male or female.

What about transwomen who never use a ladies bathroom? Good on them. Not trampling on other women’s boundaries is probably the most sisterly thing they can do.

What about transwomen who dress in baggy hoodies? What about them? Loads of people wear baggy hoodies. They’re still either male or female.

I think we’ll ’calm down’ when legislators, policy makers and organisations recognise that the safety of girls and women is more important than pandering to fetishistic and unscientific ideology.

Apparently 1% of the population are transgender either men or women.

This…a million times over!

Ooh yes. Our friendly frequent flyer on these boards AidaP.
I’m a little surprised he hasn’t turned up already with his predictably patronising pearls of wisdom.

You are statistically unlikely to be burgled in your lifetime, the chance is slim. I bet you still lock your door though. Safeguarding 101 innit.

Except maybe a little more sexist than those other men.

Because a prerequisite for believing oneself "transgender" is the belief that the fundamental difference between men and women is mental, and that female people's understanding of themselves and their experiences through the reality of their sexed bodies and how people react to them has less authority than a man's projections about womanhood and how we think, feel and live that he has observed from within his actually entirely male experiences.

The other guys might be sexist and think women's voices, truths and needs matter less than men's, but trans women definitely are and definitely do.

It reminds me of that joke when the male driver picks up the female hitchhiker.

He says to her aren't you worried that you might get in the car with a serial killer? And she's says nah, that would be far too much of a coincidence. He says what do you mean, and she says what are the chances of two serial killers in the same car.

Here's the best way to tell, OP.

Go up to each man in turn and ask which of them routinely threatens to rape women with a splintery rolling pin.

Using this logic, because it is likely that no man in prison has a tattoo of George Osborne, any man with a tattoo of George Osborne must be safe.

They all know this but it’s easier to paint us as transphobic as they have no coherent argument for keeping men out of female single sex provision.

Fair enough. It seemed to follow a pattern we have been seeing here a lot recently.

There's a lot of riled up black and white thinking on this thread. What about intersex people? What about transwomen who never use a ladies bathroom? What about transwomen who dress in baggy hoodies?

Life is short, calm down, live and let live and try to find some joy along the way💐

Something I have noticed recently is women's only spaces aimed at Muslim women (not excluding women of non or other religions - just aimed at or advertised to muslim women).

Like religion trumps trans ideology.

I thought it was an interesting development.