Aren't transpeople still a tiny minority?

Yes the transmen use the male changing during these sessions.

No, I come on here to remind people that most trans people are ordinary people. They aren't writing about terfs dying in grease fires or in prison after raping children. They aren't TRAs demanding access to women's sports or prizes.

I want to say, there is a middle ground here.

I am perfectly happy that women care about their rights. I want them to do that without demonising trans people or using vitriol. It doesn't help.

In order to affect change people need to listen and understand each other's position.

We cannot police the way people want to present, the names they want to use.

We can get to a healthier place where trans people acknowledge that they are not a natal woman or man, they are a trans woman or man, and that is an ok and valid thing to be, but it is different, and therefore it's important to accept that some women in particular are uncomfortable sharing intimate or restricted spaces with them.

We need to get to a place where trans people are fighting for 3rd spaces and trans-specific activities like the trans swimming my adult child attends.

That does require women to move away from the perverts/misogynists/sexists/bullshit rhetoric around transpeople too, as it perpetuates that polarisation of positions and isn't actually true for the majority. I am not trans so I have no understanding of what that might feel like, just as much as you might argue that a male person cannot know what it feels like to be female. None of us has a shared experience.

I want to get to a position of saying 'trans people are going to be mentally healthier if they aren't overly invested in "being perceived as" the other sex and "having the perceived privileges" of the other sex. In return, they deserve respect, dedicated spaces and dignity'.

Saying it's all bullshit and if I stand up for ordinary transpeople who are just living life while trying not to intrude into women's spaces I am "all hail the male" and "fawning" doesn't help in striving towards that position.

There are some potential interpretation issues with this.

We are comparing a group of 200 transwomen with a group of 10s of 1000s of men. If we get 50 more sex offenders in the trans group it will have a dramatic impact on the percentage of sex offenders in the trans group. If the same happens with the male group, it will scarcely change the percentage. For this reason, It is not viable to compare percentages with such widely differing bases.

Also we need to understand that the numbers relating to people in custody simply show us who is being caught and convicted. They don’t necessarily give us a true picture of who is more likely to commit a sexual offense. Another way to look a this would be be to calculate the proportion of transwoman sex offenders as a percentage of the overall transwoman population but I don’t think we have that figure.

We need to remember that these figures don’t tell us anything about who offended but wasn’t caught or anyone who received non-custodial sentences.

"DC uses the changing rooms assigned for women during the swimming session where everyone swimming is trans. The pool and changing is private and no other people except the trans swimmers are using them during that period"

@Diverze are all of the trans swimmers male? I'm curious about how the venue is facilitating these sessions, are trans identifying girls included or not? And if so are they using the male changing facilities?

I don't hate your son. At all. And actually, my frustration isn't with your son. It is with you.

On an anonymous forum, you refer to your son as your daughter. You lie. It is you who is muddying the waters.

You come on here to tell women off for caring about their rights because of your special child.

No.

I don't care if all your son does is 'cooking food and vacuuming' (interesting choice of activities). He is not a woman.

He can wear whatever he likes as far as I'm concerned.

No it's not a 'complex social issue '. Humans can't change sex. You pretending they can may help your son feel better, but it's fucking over women and society in the process.

That's the point I am making. DC is just "Helen" doing the washing up in jeans and a t shirt rather than "Harry". She isn't "Helen" wearing a micro mini skirt and red lipstick while pouting with a huge erection doing the washing up. 99.9 percent of the time she's just Helen and it makes no odds that she is using a different name than she used to.

BettyBooper was being pretty hate filled towards me and my "special child". I don't ascribe all gender critical feminism as hate but I did think she was straying into personal attack territory.

That's the point I am making. DC is just "Helen" doing the washing up in jeans and a t shirt rather than "Harry". She isn't "Helen" wearing a micro mini skirt and red lipstick while pouting with a huge erection doing the washing up. 99.9 percent of the time she's just Helen and it makes no odds that she is using a different name than she used to.

BettyBooper was being pretty hate filled towards me and my "special child". I don't ascribe all gender critical feminism as hate but I did think she was straying into personal attack territory.

I agree that hormones have been/are being used as an easy replacement for genuine mental health help and that it shows. I think it's always shown though, especially if you talk to transwomen rather than avoid them.

That's the point I am making. DC is just "Helen" doing the washing up in jeans and a t shirt rather than "Harry". She isn't "Helen" wearing a micro mini skirt and red lipstick while pouting with a huge erection doing the washing up. 99.9 percent of the time she's just Helen and it makes no odds that she is using a different name than she used to.

BettyBooper was being pretty hate filled towards me and my "special child". I don't ascribe all gender critical feminism as hate but I did think she was straying into personal attack territory.

That's the point I am making. DC is just "Helen" doing the washing up in jeans and a t shirt rather than "Harry". She isn't "Helen" wearing a micro mini skirt and red lipstick while pouting with a huge erection doing the washing up. 99.9 percent of the time she's just Helen and it makes no odds that she is using a different name than she used to.

BettyBooper was being pretty hate filled towards me and my "special child". I don't ascribe all gender critical feminism as hate but I did think she was straying into personal attack territory.

A statement incorrect on so many levels it's likely to require its own elevator. 🙄

That's the point I am making. DC is just "Helen" doing the washing up in jeans and a t shirt rather than "Harry". She isn't "Helen" wearing a micro mini skirt and red lipstick while pouting with a huge erection doing the washing up. 99.9 percent of the time she's just Helen and it makes no odds that she is using a different name than she used to.

BettyBooper was being pretty hate filled towards me and my "special child". I don't ascribe all gender critical feminism as hate but I did think she was straying into personal attack territory.

You're better off avoiding all men. Whether they pretend they're women or not.

I agree that hormones have been/are being used as an easy replacement for genuine mental health help and that it shows. I think it's always shown though, especially if you talk to transwomen rather than avoid them.

Transgender males have a weak grip on reality, stereotyped views of women, and often a high degree of resentment towards women. I would not tend to expect that these factors would lead to them being less dangerous to women than other males.

Over about fifteen years, I've noticed growing awareness and concern about transpeople. This may be my age and simply a case of when people I knew started to transition.
What I'm wondering is whether there are statistics further to the last census on how many people are transitioning or have transitioned. This is because I'm pretty sure that men are still a bigger threat to women's safety than transgender (m-f) women are. I'm not saying that no transwoman poses a risk to women, I'm querying whether, statistically, I'm better off crossing the road to avoid a cisgender man or a transgender woman (if, hypothetically, one were on each side of the road).

Where’s the need to be seen as a woman in 99 percent of which involve doing boring ordinary daily things like cooking meals, vacuuming, doing some work on the computer. What of these tasks are specifical female. I understand your defense of your child, but attributing “hate” to those as in your response to @BettyBooper who don’t agree with this way of thinking is a HUGE part of the issue.

The OP has also vanished...