Aren't transpeople still a tiny minority?

Expanding because I didn't realise that many people who read my earlier posts may have assumed that the people I knew who consistently had a body image of the opposite sex were trans. As far as I knew, they were not.

It was Ann (not real names), who had a male body image but looked and seemed like a woman. Or James, who had a female body image but looked and acted like a man. As far as I knew, they still identified with their true sex and had not even socially transitioned. I think it was always someone in a group either for head injuries or where head injuries are commonplace (e.g., support groups for people with C-PTSD, because head injuries are common among those of us who were severely abused as children).I assumed the discrepancy between their body image and sexed body was due to trauma, particularly their head injury though other trauma may have contributed.

It was many years ago and I may be confusing different people, but it is possible that a few sometimes went by opposite sex pronouns with a few people. They used correct sex pronouns when I was with them (or when talking to others in that group).

A couple of dozen men posing as women in one town will have a large effect, on all the women and girls in that town, even if only one or two are using women's facilities illegally.

If you've ever had a stone in your shoe and on removing what felt like a large flint, which turned out to be a large grain of sand.

One man's ripples travel a long way. Every woman and girl who is simply unnerved at his presence, every woman and girl who avoids activities, because of his presence is affected.

That's possible.

Most of the people I knew in real life whose body image was consistently that of the opposite sex had not transitioned, at least at the time I knew them. It was before that was common. I think all of them had had head injuries. I was relieved that I wasn't the only one. I had never told anyone. I don't think I told them because I wasn't anonymous.

I don't know about the people online who said they transed at least in part because of their body image.

<shocked Pikachu face>

But that never happens!

About 10 years ago, when I first read about this issue, there were all sorts of things floating about.

One that sticks in my mind was the bit the brain that is meant to be bigger for trans identified adults could've been explained by an extreme degree of self obsession. A bit like the brain elasticity of taxi drivers increasing parts of their brain due to The Knowledge.

And the other was about brain stimulation. And the visual body perception part (sorry, I know that sounds hopelessly unscientific) was in the same for anorexics as for trans identified people.

If you take away the fetish, the sexism and the homophobia, then it wouldn't be surprising that there was a brain misfiring that accounted for some people seeing themselves differently.

They're not different, of course.

But Whodathunk the OP would plop and run ?

I wondered if MN could host a very carefully moderated thread where a point could be discussed. Like we had a thread where people could just answer the point without any detailing. Like a FAQ thread for each point and MN releases the topic and posters submit an answer and they publish them and only answers, no derailing or posts intended fill up threads. And only moderated posts that were relevant in the moderators view, but posting any view of course. It would be a closed thread that people would have to have their submitted posts approved to go on (not approved on opinion but for being relevant to the discussion)

That way we could post a link to an answer or to the topic. If we did as many as we could, and have MN have a special pinned post with links to these closed threads.

It would require some work though
and I doubt that MN would do it.

Then I thought someone could do a substack with excellent answers from MN and else where that could be linked up , but then I worried it might be traceable to people.

But I have thought that we have needed linkable answers for a long time.

I sometimes think that with these faux-naive posts we should have a ready-made reply, along the lines of 'this is BS and here is why', complete with links and stats.

But there again, some people have such a dazzling mix of tunnel vision and poor reading comprehension that it wouldn't sink in.

'But what about blah blah blah?'
'See point 3a. There is also a helpful link.'
'I'm not following your stupid links! And I cant find 3a anyway!'
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'Your 3a doesn't even mention my point!'
'Totes does, babe. It's all about your point. We just used different words.'

What's that saying about playing chess with pigeons?

Surely you don't mean that ppl post faux naive "but would is the problem here?" On FWR and then disappear never to be seen again?? I'm shocked I tell you!

Well yes, I did wonder…

Was this a genuine initial post. Or just a wind up? OP has posted twice.

Oh I think butters still walks among us in a different guise....

Yes. The first rule of misogyny is that when men do something wrong it’s women’s fault. Or something like that.

Butters was sad too, I wonder what happened to him.

We must also understand we are making these men very very sad with our disobedience and refusal to agree to their demands. #sadtimes indeed.

I remember Steph Richards earnestly explaining that if FiLiA had just been the right kind of feminist conference Steph & fellow protestors would have been inside supporting them.

Instead of outside, chalking obscene phrases & pictures on pavements & chanting loudly over sessions where survivors of sexual abuse were talking about their experiences.

I’m sure if we were the right kind of feminists AidaP wouldn’t be threatening to rape us with a splintery rolling pin either. It’s all very sad.

It is as if we are supposed to believe that if a man puts a dress on, suddenly he becomes an innocent, ethereal being who would never hurt any one and loses any hint of being threatening so of course belongs in women’s spaces. Of course, if we refuse to believe this, these same men threaten to kill, rape assault women who disagree with them. That of course, is the fault of the women saying no, not the men. They are only threatening us because we’re traumatising them by saying no.

Revisiting the OP; yes, I agree there are more trans people now than there were fifteen years ago. There are so many more now than there were 40+ years ago. A more diverse group of people are being labeled 'trans' today. I notice a surprising number of people in transition day-to-day, which makes sense if they are 1-2% of the population.

Regarding the question about crossing the road, I agree with the 'you're more likely to be hit by traffic' answer.

Indeed. A few years ago everyone knew that some crossdressers were creepy perverts. Now, it's forbidden to even suggest it, although 'fetishistic transvestism' is in the ICD and a diagnosis of 'gender incongruence' is supposed to be checked for it to rule it out.

Society is working very hard to deny that there is a particular type of predatory male who seeks to transgress women's boundaries, practices exhibitionism etc. It is wilfully ignoring the evidence and it is putting women and children at risk.

I think "Having a wrong sex body map" is an instance of having opposite sex ideas, not a reason for getting opposite sex ideas.

sad times.

you’re not really good at analogies or reading comprehension are you? Bless you, you tried though and that’s what counts.

The "wrong body" narrative makes no sense to me, but it does seem prevalent. My efforts were focused on having an adult life that made sense to me and the way I envisioned that happening was to develop a female adult body instead of a male adult body.

"Body map" struck me as interesting when I read your comment only because of what I personally experienced after surgery. I'm not going to discuss that here.

There is a lot to be said about experience vs. expectation though.

I've never been seen or treated as AB+, so I'll take your word.