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A Reddit discussion focussing on Trans and not being shut down / users downvoted into oblivion

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 20/04/2026 15:42

https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/1sqj09b/new_university_free_speech_complaints_system_to/

turns out some people on Reddit are open minded after all. This specific sub Reddit does not show up and down votes I think so have half fixed the echo chamber effect

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GreyskySexRealistsky · 21/05/2026 22:39

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They delete for personal attacks

Maybe have a think about how you are addressing people

CharIi · 21/05/2026 22:36

Bertiebiscuit · 21/05/2026 22:35

Bit testerical there mate

Unlike you, bloke on Mumsnet. I am both a cisgender women and a mother.

Bertiebiscuit · 21/05/2026 22:35

CharIi · 21/05/2026 21:10

I’ll have to take your word for it because all I have seen here is wall to wall hatred and trans eliminationism.
The only real argument I have seen in these boards on trans people is whether they should be

  1. Segregated
  2. Driven from society
  3. Forcibly detransitioned
  4. Eradicated

I mean I knew when I came here that your were very right wing in matters of inclusion and diversity. But honestly, I am appalled!

Are you even mothers here? This sounds more like 4Chan. Have any of you even had a negative experience with a trans woman in the loo? A real one I mean, not a made up one. Because I never have and I’m in my 50s and I’ve seen them occasionally, throughout my life. If anything, the ones I’ve noticed just get in, do their business and get out. They have never even spoken in there unless spoken to, so I REALLY don’t get the rage.
Nobody even cared about this until 2023.
What have they done to make to hate them so viscerally?
i remember in 2010 the government telling gay and trans folks “come out. Live your true authentic lives. You are safe with us”. Fiend out THAT was a lie wasn’t it?

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Bit testerical there mate

CharIi · 21/05/2026 22:34

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Justme56 · 21/05/2026 22:31

I remember a few years ago didn’t they do a consultation on toilets where Stonewall were pushing for more unisex facilities. So now the guidelines are saying to service providers make sure you have a mix so everyone is catered for and people are still not happy. There seems like there is no pleasing some people.

MouseQueen · 21/05/2026 22:31

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Do you know what 'appealing to motive' means? It means you are suggesting I am making my argument because of hidden motives. Not that I actually DO have hidden motives. You have to be ragebaiting because there's no way you can be so blind.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 21/05/2026 22:30

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No amount of bodily autonomy allows you to actually change sex, or even pass as the opposite sex

popping on a dress, is just that, dressing and theater

And nobody is forcing anyone to detransition, not least because you cannot transition to another sex, but also nobody gives a fuck if you wander around at 6’3” with a skirt so short we can see your balls (ok, we do, and I’m a guy)

nobody hates you

just stay out of female spaces and stop pretending you changed sex you fantasist.

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CharIi · 21/05/2026 22:26

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Myalternate · 21/05/2026 22:25

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 21/05/2026 22:22

Well said, every word

I’ll second that 👏

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 21/05/2026 22:22

MouseQueen · 21/05/2026 22:16

I ignored it for your own benefit, and my sanity, at first. But you want to use fallacies to argue your point for you, I'll point them out and return the favour.

The NHS doesn't treat homeless people by giving them homes. They refer them to the necessary social workers. They don't treat drug addicts by funding their drug addiction. They don't treat fighters by giving them their own, 'safe', fighting-ring. They don't treat suicidal people with euthanesia.

And they certainly shouldn't be treating mental disorders with physical surgery. That's why it's already been proven gender dysphoria actually INCREASES post- transition.

You want to call gender dysphoria 'stress'? In any other case, we relieve stress mentally. You cannot treat mental stress physically. If you want to stop feeling stressed, you get therapy. You take a bath. You go for a walk. You knit. You get a hobby that isn't endlessly obessing over whether you 'pass', or join subreddits constantly reminding you of ways to 'be a passing trans person'.

Gender dysphoria doesn't easily go away at all even after 'gender-affirming surgery'. That's why there's thousands of posts over on little ol' reddit FROM people who are on hormones, who've had surgeries, venting about their dysphoria. So, no, it isn't effectively treated. It isn't easily treated by physical changes. And your argument is debunked.

I want trans people to be happy with who they are. With the bodies woven for them by their DNA, shaped by their natural environment. You're appealing to motive, but that does nothing to make my argument any less correct.

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Well said, every word

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 21/05/2026 22:21

CharIi · 21/05/2026 20:42

And yet that’s not much, if anything in the way of diversity of thought on here really is there?
That I can see, there is just eliminationism.
I mean I understand that not everyone is inclusive. But this just feels like mockery and hate.
Personally I’m an intersectional feminist. And that includes trans women. So I’m probably not long for this place. I’ve just been appalled with it.

Trans women are blokes though, so you’re a feminist for men? Weird bit of Stockholm syndrome there

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MouseQueen · 21/05/2026 22:16

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I ignored it for your own benefit, and my sanity, at first. But you want to use fallacies to argue your point for you, I'll point them out and return the favour.

The NHS doesn't treat homeless people by giving them homes. They refer them to the necessary social workers. They don't treat drug addicts by funding their drug addiction. They don't treat fighters by giving them their own, 'safe', fighting-ring. They don't treat suicidal people with euthanesia.

And they certainly shouldn't be treating mental disorders with physical surgery. That's why it's already been proven gender dysphoria actually INCREASES post- transition.

You want to call gender dysphoria 'stress'? In any other case, we relieve stress mentally. You cannot treat mental stress physically. If you want to stop feeling stressed, you get therapy. You take a bath. You go for a walk. You knit. You get a hobby that isn't endlessly obessing over whether you 'pass', or join subreddits constantly reminding you of ways to 'be a passing trans person'.

Gender dysphoria doesn't easily go away at all even after 'gender-affirming surgery'. That's why there's thousands of posts over on little ol' reddit FROM people who are on hormones, who've had surgeries, venting about their dysphoria. So, no, it isn't effectively treated. It isn't easily treated by physical changes. And your argument is debunked.

I want trans people to be happy with who they are. With the bodies woven for them by their DNA, shaped by their natural environment. You're appealing to motive, but that does nothing to make my argument any less correct.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 21/05/2026 22:10

It's always about the trans women

CharIi · 21/05/2026 22:07

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MouseQueen · 21/05/2026 22:01

CharIi · 21/05/2026 21:57

Yes I have. They are vile.
WHY should transgender healthcare not be in the NHS? Trans people pay taxes just like everyone else. HRT is, for many of them an instantly successful treatment for gender incongruence. It actually SAVES the NHS money not having to deal with other related problems down the line.
No doubt you choose to believe trans people choose to be transgender so this is elective. It is not.
But if you think trans pale skulls find their own care rather than have it provided by the NHS that they pay into, should we ALSO deny treatment to alcoholics, smokers, drug takers, those injured fighting, people with non life threatening physical malformations too? Or weight loss drugs, gastric bands etc? Because THEY are all based on personal choices

If trans people have mental issues, then they need therapy. You are suggesting being transgender is an ILLNESS as to require it to be treated on the NHS (which is what the NHS is for). Think.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 21/05/2026 21:58

What's a trans pale skull?

CharIi · 21/05/2026 21:57

MouseQueen · 21/05/2026 21:36

Have you even read our posts?

I frequently read this forum and we've actually advocated for continuing support for dressing and presenting themselves how they like, but to be open about their sex in circumstances where it is called for (so, they don't take away women's rights or opportunities, and consent is informed). We consider woman to be a sex-based term, and as 'Gender Critical' insinuates, seperate identity and gender. Therefore, TW shouldn't use women's spaces.

Nobody is trying to force TW to 'detransition'. Wear what you like. If taking hormones makes you happy, fine, but it shouldn't be on the NHS. It's on the exact same line as cosmetic plastic surgery (making you feel better about yourself isn't a priority when people are dying.) Our argument mainly consists of 'it is impossible to transition from MtF & vice versa', the term is just a phrase for ATTEMPTING to transition.

Where's the hatred? We just fundamentally disagree with trans ideology, that doesn't intrisically mean we hate them. You can be athiest making athiest arguments online and not hate religous people.

You deliberately use the term 'eradicated' and 'segregated from society' to suggest we are aggressively pursuing some hitler-style solution. You'd be pushed to actually find any evidence, or even a suggestion of that. Because it's never happened in this forum. So, yes, I suggest you actually read what we are saying. However I have a lot of evidence of TRAs suggesting gender critical women ought to be 'eradicated' and 'segregated from society'... and much, much worse.

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Yes I have. They are vile.
WHY should transgender healthcare not be in the NHS? Trans people pay taxes just like everyone else. HRT is, for many of them an instantly successful treatment for gender incongruence. It actually SAVES the NHS money not having to deal with other related problems down the line.
No doubt you choose to believe trans people choose to be transgender so this is elective. It is not.
But if you think trans pale skulls find their own care rather than have it provided by the NHS that they pay into, should we ALSO deny treatment to alcoholics, smokers, drug takers, those injured fighting, people with non life threatening physical malformations too? Or weight loss drugs, gastric bands etc? Because THEY are all based on personal choices

boundtobe · 21/05/2026 21:55

CharIi · 21/05/2026 21:10

I’ll have to take your word for it because all I have seen here is wall to wall hatred and trans eliminationism.
The only real argument I have seen in these boards on trans people is whether they should be

  1. Segregated
  2. Driven from society
  3. Forcibly detransitioned
  4. Eradicated

I mean I knew when I came here that your were very right wing in matters of inclusion and diversity. But honestly, I am appalled!

Are you even mothers here? This sounds more like 4Chan. Have any of you even had a negative experience with a trans woman in the loo? A real one I mean, not a made up one. Because I never have and I’m in my 50s and I’ve seen them occasionally, throughout my life. If anything, the ones I’ve noticed just get in, do their business and get out. They have never even spoken in there unless spoken to, so I REALLY don’t get the rage.
Nobody even cared about this until 2023.
What have they done to make to hate them so viscerally?
i remember in 2010 the government telling gay and trans folks “come out. Live your true authentic lives. You are safe with us”. Fiend out THAT was a lie wasn’t it?

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I have a trans nephew, a trans-friend and a sister-in-law married a man who later became a trans woman. I also worked on a committee with trans women. I have a lot of empathy for anyone genuinely trans and wish they could live the life they want but it's not that simple.

Some men say they are women simply to gain access to single sex areas designed for biological females. A rapist in a female prison is a fairly recent example. In my view, this means biological males must never be given access.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 21/05/2026 21:53

Can't really understand very much of this garbled post, but we shall indeed have an evening.

CharIi · 21/05/2026 21:48

fancypantss · 21/05/2026 21:40

Can you link to a thread here where it's been suggested that trans people should be forcibly detransitioned, eradicated or driven from society? Yes in some cases people should be segregated by sex rather than gender. Did you not realise that you never meeting a problematic transwomen doesn't mean biological men should just be allowed in all women's spaces?

I’m not linking to anything. I some resume to demands from complexity or demands for homework. They are never made in good faith. As in this case.

and you conflating trans women with the deeply insulting “biological men” suggests to me there is no point in trying to discuss with a zealot intent on dehumanising people.
Have an evening

fancypantss · 21/05/2026 21:40

CharIi · 21/05/2026 21:10

I’ll have to take your word for it because all I have seen here is wall to wall hatred and trans eliminationism.
The only real argument I have seen in these boards on trans people is whether they should be

  1. Segregated
  2. Driven from society
  3. Forcibly detransitioned
  4. Eradicated

I mean I knew when I came here that your were very right wing in matters of inclusion and diversity. But honestly, I am appalled!

Are you even mothers here? This sounds more like 4Chan. Have any of you even had a negative experience with a trans woman in the loo? A real one I mean, not a made up one. Because I never have and I’m in my 50s and I’ve seen them occasionally, throughout my life. If anything, the ones I’ve noticed just get in, do their business and get out. They have never even spoken in there unless spoken to, so I REALLY don’t get the rage.
Nobody even cared about this until 2023.
What have they done to make to hate them so viscerally?
i remember in 2010 the government telling gay and trans folks “come out. Live your true authentic lives. You are safe with us”. Fiend out THAT was a lie wasn’t it?

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Can you link to a thread here where it's been suggested that trans people should be forcibly detransitioned, eradicated or driven from society? Yes in some cases people should be segregated by sex rather than gender. Did you not realise that you never meeting a problematic transwomen doesn't mean biological men should just be allowed in all women's spaces?

MouseQueen · 21/05/2026 21:36

CharIi · 21/05/2026 21:10

I’ll have to take your word for it because all I have seen here is wall to wall hatred and trans eliminationism.
The only real argument I have seen in these boards on trans people is whether they should be

  1. Segregated
  2. Driven from society
  3. Forcibly detransitioned
  4. Eradicated

I mean I knew when I came here that your were very right wing in matters of inclusion and diversity. But honestly, I am appalled!

Are you even mothers here? This sounds more like 4Chan. Have any of you even had a negative experience with a trans woman in the loo? A real one I mean, not a made up one. Because I never have and I’m in my 50s and I’ve seen them occasionally, throughout my life. If anything, the ones I’ve noticed just get in, do their business and get out. They have never even spoken in there unless spoken to, so I REALLY don’t get the rage.
Nobody even cared about this until 2023.
What have they done to make to hate them so viscerally?
i remember in 2010 the government telling gay and trans folks “come out. Live your true authentic lives. You are safe with us”. Fiend out THAT was a lie wasn’t it?

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Have you even read our posts?

I frequently read this forum and we've actually advocated for continuing support for dressing and presenting themselves how they like, but to be open about their sex in circumstances where it is called for (so, they don't take away women's rights or opportunities, and consent is informed). We consider woman to be a sex-based term, and as 'Gender Critical' insinuates, seperate identity and gender. Therefore, TW shouldn't use women's spaces.

Nobody is trying to force TW to 'detransition'. Wear what you like. If taking hormones makes you happy, fine, but it shouldn't be on the NHS. It's on the exact same line as cosmetic plastic surgery (making you feel better about yourself isn't a priority when people are dying.) Our argument mainly consists of 'it is impossible to transition from MtF & vice versa', the term is just a phrase for ATTEMPTING to transition.

Where's the hatred? We just fundamentally disagree with trans ideology, that doesn't intrisically mean we hate them. You can be athiest making athiest arguments online and not hate religous people.

You deliberately use the term 'eradicated' and 'segregated from society' to suggest we are aggressively pursuing some hitler-style solution. You'd be pushed to actually find any evidence, or even a suggestion of that. Because it's never happened in this forum. So, yes, I suggest you actually read what we are saying. However I have a lot of evidence of TRAs suggesting gender critical women ought to be 'eradicated' and 'segregated from society'... and much, much worse.

Myalternate · 21/05/2026 21:24

I’m not in the least interested in the views of trans advocates. I find them incredibly boring.

🥱

MouseQueen · 21/05/2026 21:20

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/04/2026 15:52

I don't know what comments you were reading but all I saw was 'transphobia', 'transphobia' , 'transphobia' , 'transphobia' . 🤔

Same, they were all repeating the same 'anti-trans/ transphobic bigots' spiel like the drones they are.

CharIi · 21/05/2026 21:10

PaterPower · 21/05/2026 20:59

Lots of people come on to this board and posit an alternative / pro-trans viewpoint. The problem is that their arguments don’t stack up. They rely on an article of faith that (to shorten it) states “TWAW and TMAM.”

And like every other faith system that humanity has invented over the centuries, when asked to shore up this statement with some sort of objective evidence it’s quickly obvious that they can’t. You just have to ‘believe.’

Well I (and, polls would suggest, the majority of the UK population) believe that “TWAW” about as much as I accept the transubstantiation of bread and wine when blessed. Or that there are virgins awaiting the chosen in ‘heaven.’ Or that I could be reincarnated as a woodlouse. Etc etc etc.

I’ll have to take your word for it because all I have seen here is wall to wall hatred and trans eliminationism.
The only real argument I have seen in these boards on trans people is whether they should be

  1. Segregated
  2. Driven from society
  3. Forcibly detransitioned
  4. Eradicated

I mean I knew when I came here that your were very right wing in matters of inclusion and diversity. But honestly, I am appalled!

Are you even mothers here? This sounds more like 4Chan. Have any of you even had a negative experience with a trans woman in the loo? A real one I mean, not a made up one. Because I never have and I’m in my 50s and I’ve seen them occasionally, throughout my life. If anything, the ones I’ve noticed just get in, do their business and get out. They have never even spoken in there unless spoken to, so I REALLY don’t get the rage.
Nobody even cared about this until 2023.
What have they done to make to hate them so viscerally?
i remember in 2010 the government telling gay and trans folks “come out. Live your true authentic lives. You are safe with us”. Fiend out THAT was a lie wasn’t it?

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