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STONEWALL REVERSE FERRET INCOMING

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Taytoface · 19/04/2026 07:47

So, it looks like their income tanking might have finally made them see that trans rights is not quite the gravy train they thought it was. They are now pivoting to getting compensation for gay veterans who were badly treated. And apparently JKR is a wonderful lady, just needs to be a wee bit more kind.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/19/things-could-go-backwards-kezia-dugdale-on-safety-lgbtq-rights-and-the-future-of-stonewall

‘Things could go backwards’: Kezia Dugdale on safety, LGBTQ+ rights and the future of Stonewall

Exclusive: Former Scottish Labour leader says she feels more scared as a lesbian today and calls for a kinder debate on transgender issues

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/19/things-could-go-backwards-kezia-dugdale-on-safety-lgbtq-rights-and-the-future-of-stonewall

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TheSandgroper · 22/07/2026 03:11

I listened to this s yesterday. The discussion of the money trail is fascinating and towards the end is a mention of Trump’s withdrawal of US aid money (Stonewall would be included in this category).

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=5368s&v=ESAQdqfOZE4

lcakethereforeIam · 29/04/2026 13:33

Janet Murray on Dugdale's cowardice

https://archive.ph/YT6wl

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/04/29/even-mentioning-jk-rowlings-name-cancelled-by-trans-mob/

And Mark Hammill (makes Skywalker scurrying away to hide on an island plausible. The screenwriter got the character confused with the actor. By contrast Roisin Murphy's strength and actual character.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/04/29/even-mentioning-jk-rowlings-name-cancelled-by-trans-mob

Greencoconutqueen · 28/04/2026 14:40

Oh Kezia. Proving she's still as inept, spineless and utterly lacking in political acumen as she was when she was Scottish Labour's leader.

Emilesgran · 28/04/2026 11:07

MarieDeGournay · 28/04/2026 08:33

That link shows the article for a split second and then
Error 404 - Oops, the page you're looking for is no longer here

I am outside the UK and not all material on the BBC website is always available, but it looks like it's been removed...

Edited

I’m in Northern Ireland and when I clicked on the link I got a message saying “this is not available in your country”!

So I went to BBC Sounds and searched for Scotcast directly and it came up and is now playing no problem.

It seems to be a glitch and this link probably won’t work for you either (as I think it’s the same as the others above) but you can give it a try.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002vmc3?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

ETA: Or maybe someone could download it for you and send it to you? Im not sure how easy that is to do - I only have Sounds on my phone and can’t really handle downloads well on that but on a PC it light be easier?

MarieDeGournay · 28/04/2026 09:13

ItsCoolForCats · 28/04/2026 08:35

The link is for BBC Sounds. Do you have access to that in Ireland? I know you can't access iPlayer

Ah that's probably it! I'm glad I didn't leap to nefarious conclusions😄

Pleasealexa · 28/04/2026 09:07

She could have thought “well, my ‘side’ seems to be a bit mental

I loved this comment because there was a time when the response to TRA outrage would have been "ignore them as they are a bit mental". I miss those times!

ItsCoolForCats · 28/04/2026 08:35

MarieDeGournay · 28/04/2026 08:33

That link shows the article for a split second and then
Error 404 - Oops, the page you're looking for is no longer here

I am outside the UK and not all material on the BBC website is always available, but it looks like it's been removed...

Edited

The link is for BBC Sounds. Do you have access to that in Ireland? I know you can't access iPlayer

MarieDeGournay · 28/04/2026 08:33

ItsCoolForCats · 28/04/2026 07:28

Covered in Scotcast (I haven't listened yet): https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002vmc3?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

They have restricted comments on X

That link shows the article for a split second and then
Error 404 - Oops, the page you're looking for is no longer here

I am outside the UK and not all material on the BBC website is always available, but it looks like it's been removed...

MyAmpleSheep · 27/04/2026 12:57

BeMoreBear · 27/04/2026 12:54

Excellent article, thanks.

You have to put your actual principles to one side, and instead be on hair trigger to respond to every potential tantrum. How can you do good in such a position? How can you do anything?

Does Kezia Dugdale actually have any principles to put to one side?

To paraphrase: Yes, she's got principles. And if you don't like them, she has others.

BeMoreBear · 27/04/2026 12:54

lcakethereforeIam · 27/04/2026 10:11

Victoria Smith in the Critic

https://archive.ph/BIMwo

https://thecritic.co.uk/dont-kowtow-to-cry-bullies/

Dizzy ferrets, who've also taken a few nasty blows to the ego head, are now under the rainbow umbrella.

This 'umbrella' seems to be surrounded by barbed wire and have machine gun towers at the end of each spoke. I've seen people dragged into its shelter. They'd seemed perfectly happy outside. Now they're pale and quiet. They glance nervously over their shoulders when they talk. I'm surprised it's so dark, under the rainbow.

Excellent article, thanks.

You have to put your actual principles to one side, and instead be on hair trigger to respond to every potential tantrum. How can you do good in such a position? How can you do anything?

Does Kezia Dugdale actually have any principles to put to one side?

Emilesgran · 27/04/2026 12:36

EmpressaurusKitty · 24/04/2026 18:04

And the idea that lesbians could have or would have been remotely interested in penises was viewed as a stupid & tasteless joke.

It was a (straight) male porn fantasy when I were a lass. Said as a joke to women, but definitely a sexual fantasy.

I suppose it still is, but now they’re able to get naive young women who no longer feel “empowered” to tell them to F off, as we would have. “Be kind” really has been a disaster for women hasn’t it?

lcakethereforeIam · 27/04/2026 10:11

Victoria Smith in the Critic

https://archive.ph/BIMwo

https://thecritic.co.uk/dont-kowtow-to-cry-bullies/

Dizzy ferrets, who've also taken a few nasty blows to the ego head, are now under the rainbow umbrella.

This 'umbrella' seems to be surrounded by barbed wire and have machine gun towers at the end of each spoke. I've seen people dragged into its shelter. They'd seemed perfectly happy outside. Now they're pale and quiet. They glance nervously over their shoulders when they talk. I'm surprised it's so dark, under the rainbow.

EmpressaurusKitty · 24/04/2026 18:04

BeMoreBear · 24/04/2026 17:53

I remember it well! We didn't yet have equality, but we sure had a lot of places to ourselves. I'm not even sure how many young lesbians would want to come out now, or even if they know that being a lesbian is actually an option! Feels like being back in the 70s and 80s again.

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And the idea that lesbians could have or would have been remotely interested in penises was viewed as a stupid & tasteless joke.

BeMoreBear · 24/04/2026 17:53

EmpressaurusKitty · 24/04/2026 17:08

When I came out in the late 90s I was able to call the local Lesbian Line & get involved in pub nights, quiz nights, book groups, Sunday lunches, hikes… all exclusively for lesbians. It was wonderful.

It feels immensely unfair that the young women coming out now dont have all that as an option.

I remember it well! We didn't yet have equality, but we sure had a lot of places to ourselves. I'm not even sure how many young lesbians would want to come out now, or even if they know that being a lesbian is actually an option! Feels like being back in the 70s and 80s again.

EmpressaurusKitty · 24/04/2026 17:08

When I came out in the late 90s I was able to call the local Lesbian Line & get involved in pub nights, quiz nights, book groups, Sunday lunches, hikes… all exclusively for lesbians. It was wonderful.

It feels immensely unfair that the young women coming out now dont have all that as an option.

BeMoreBear · 24/04/2026 16:47

EricTheHalfASleeve · 24/04/2026 16:44

Is a trans chair a bench that identifies as a chair?

#TransChairAreChairs

😂Clever!

BeMoreBear · 24/04/2026 16:47

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 24/04/2026 16:35

But why do you need to describe yourself as homosexual, surely that would only be necessary if you think you're being chatted up or you're doing the chatting up. In everyday life why would you need to identify as anything.

Well, lesbians used to have organisations that offered support and health information and other places like that. Not just dating nights and sites. Holiday companies. Walking tours. Therapy sessions. Now there are almost none, because the word "lesbian" has been forcibly appropriated by those who think that anyone can be a woman, anyone can be a lesbian.

There was a very brief time, perhaps 2010/13-2015, when I used to think, well, we have all the rights we need now, do we really need all these separate, lesbian-only organisations?

Then along comes Stonewall's spectacular bandwagon, then social media, then smart phones, and then suddenly lesbians need those organisations more than ever! And now they're gone.

EricTheHalfASleeve · 24/04/2026 16:44

GingerBeverage · 23/04/2026 20:56

They will only accept a trans chair, I expect.

But not a transman.

Is a trans chair a bench that identifies as a chair?

#TransChairAreChairs

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 24/04/2026 16:35

But why do you need to describe yourself as homosexual, surely that would only be necessary if you think you're being chatted up or you're doing the chatting up. In everyday life why would you need to identify as anything.

BeMoreBear · 24/04/2026 16:32

I'm not sure I would feel comfortable using the term "homosexual " to describe myself. Maybe it's a holdover from when some of these terms were used as slurs, and still are by some people. I never relinquished my claim to the term "lesbian" - I'm using it!

I think we'll get there eventually. I just worry that there won't any lesbians left from Gen Z or Gen A by the time we sort it all out.

Good thing there is LGBA.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 24/04/2026 16:20

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 24/04/2026 16:15

May be it's time to drop the L and the G and just say homosexuals, words matter, it would be harder for the genderwangers to hijack something that is that unequivocable. It means what it says, Same Sex attracted, no gender, no identity, no wiggle room for the fantasist and liars.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 24/04/2026 15:43

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 24/04/2026 13:56

Well that was quick. Poor old Kezia. So no-one is going to get a chance to ask the questions I'd like to ask, and that she should have asked before she took the job and now she very urgently needs to ask herself:

What really is the point of Stonewall now? What is it actually for?

And once she's figureed that out, what can Stonewall do for same-sex attracted people that LGBA can't? Plus LGBA does it with energy and enthusiasm and with side orders of women's rights and child safeguarding built in, which Stonewall doesn't.

She wouldn't have needed to apologise to anyone if she'd worked that out before taking the job. She'd have said: this is where we're all going, L, G, B, T, Q, + and all, like it or lump it.

She's attached herself to some version of Stonewall that just doesn't exist any more.