Would or will you vote Green if it was the only way to change a Council that has traditionally been Labour?

The Guardian ran with the initial story not tabloids and it wouldn’t have been an issue if Starmer had kept a competent woman in the role instead of Mandelson.

I think you cant have been reading this thread.

Throughout I have said I am only interested in local issues and services.

As politically on a national level there isn't much difference between Green and Labour policies on women's sex based rights etc. And the bit you picked out of context was about how similar greend and labour are, apart from Gaza, and the difference there probably wasn't that different between members of each parties but not the leaders.

But what you and others haven't been able to say is if there is a serious problem with how local people are being treated by Labour councils whether your opinions on the national politics of each party should decide whether local people should be disrespected by Labour on the off chance that the Greens might be better.

So you might have thought it was clever, but your comment doesn't deal with the issue itself.

Local people being stitched up by Labour and the only option for change is to get the Greens elected.

Or are you saying that local people should just suck it up and be disregarded because on a political level you want to grand stand about the Greens.

And if so will you pay me compensation at the end of the next 4 years of Labour maladministration for the negative impact on my and other local people's lives.

To a certain extent, the various factions who want rid of Starmer. The next incumbent doesn't bear thinking about and whoever it is will get a mauling from our lovely tabloids.

Most voters were tired of the musical chairs of constantly changing leaders in the Tory Party and the chaos it caused. The MSM cream themselves over this with orgasmic joy. Ordinary voters just feel insecure. Starmer looked like a stable leader who would provide a stable Government. That's all. There was no great love for him. What the media do is cause a climate of suspicion and instability. They are LOVING the chaos!

I look at the state of things now and wonder how these people got so much power so fast.

That's a debate for another thread, but when the established parties decided during the run-up to the last GE to ignore the IFS and just about everyone else pointing out the gaping holes in their economic plans they made life much easier for populists selling the notion that if you will the end, you also magically will the means.

Lab campaigned on a one word manifesto, promising that corruption and cronyism would end and everything would be fixed, with their morally impeccable guy in charge. No more politicking, just reassuringly dull competence. By my count that promise didn't survive the summer of 2024 and it's been downhill since.

We need politicians with the courage and skills to make and win a political argument.

No. I have voted Green many times but they are absolutely batshit crazy now and have some really dangerous policies imho.

Donkeys years ago I used to vote Green in the EU elections, when they had green policies. I can't see how putting the current lot in charge would be an improvement on Labour. They genuinely frighten me, not just their policies but as individuals.
I look at the state of things now and wonder how these people got so much power so fast.

I think you cant have been reading this thread.

Throughout I have said I am only interested in local issues and services.

As politically on a national level there isn't much difference between Green and Labour policies on women's sex based rights etc. And the bit you picked out of context was about how similar greend and labour are, apart from Gaza, and the difference there probably wasn't that different between members of each parties but not the leaders.

But what you and others haven't been able to say is if there is a serious problem with how local people are being treated by Labour councils whether your opinions on the national politics of each party should decide whether local people should be disrespected by Labour on the off chance that the Greens might be better.

So you might have thought it was clever, but your comment doesn't deal with the issue itself.

Local people being stitched up by Labour and the only option for change is to get the Greens elected.

Or are you saying that local people should just suck it up and be disregarded because on a political level you want to grand stand about the Greens.

And if so will you pay me compensation at the end of the next 4 years of Labour maladministration for the negative impact on my and other local people's lives.

I think you cant have been reading this thread.

Throughout I have said I am only interested in local issues and services.

As politically on a national level there isn't much difference between Green and Labour policies on women's sex based rights etc. And the bit you picked out of context was about how similar greend and labour are, apart from Gaza, and the difference there probably wasn't that different between members of each parties but not the leaders.

But what you and others haven't been able to say is if there is a serious problem with how local people are being treated by Labour councils whether your opinions on the national politics of each party should decide whether local people should be disrespected by Labour on the off chance that the Greens might be better.

So you might have thought it was clever, but your comment doesn't deal with the issue itself.

Local people being stitched up by Labour and the only option for change is to get the Greens elected.

Or are you saying that local people should just suck it up and be disregarded because on a political level you want to grand stand about the Greens.

And if so will you pay me compensation at the end of the next 4 years of Labour maladministration for the negative impact on my and other local people's lives.

I've already responded to this. I didn't. But in the circumstances the forecast is they are the only party who could beat Labour.

So as per the OP title, if the only way to get rid of Labour was to vote Green would you. (And are they any good as councillors)

And as has become clear on the thread not many have any experience of having a Green Council.

The question is why so many people think it okay to go on letting Labour FU people's lives.

You know the ones the papers and politicians like to quote, honest, decent working people.

One benefit of the Greens’ surge is that Labour will be much less likely to act on its stupid idea of giving 16 year olds the vote in a GE.

@IwantToRetireI agree, and the stance on Gaza is something that I feel passionately about. It’s the reason why I couldn’t bring myself to vote labour at the last General Election.

No.