Grace Campbell - Alastair Campbell

The CPS is problematic.

You're so right. This reminded me of the disgraceful anti-bullying pack for schools put out some years ago by the Crown Prosecution Service, no less, co-produced with Stonewall and Gendered Intelligence. Maya Forstater discusses it here: https://a-question-of-consent.net/2020/04/30/cps-guidance-undermining-consent-withdrawn/

Quoting from her post:

One of its teaching exercises features a video scenario where an adult male presenting in a feminine style enters the women’s toilets. Two young women at the sinks whisper their discomfort: “What’s he doing in here? This is the Ladies”. The next time the person uses the Gents’ where two middle-aged men shout abuse and bang on the door.

The class discussion guidance says

“Ask the students what happened in the clip. Thinking about how the girl in the clip was treated, can the class understand why she might have felt hesitant about going into the toilets?”

(by ‘girl’ here they mean the adult male)

As the legal letter to the CPS points out it is not safe for girls to learn that they should consider an adult male using a facility intended for their bodily privacy as a ‘girl’.

What were they thinking? The only answer I can come up with is they weren't thinking at all.

Not a baby not seemingly phenomenally imature and insecure. I have only sympathy for her. I don't think she can be very happy.

As to being 'kind' to males....there is a whole load of internalised misogyny, 'girls must be kind', not make a fuss, not argue; and always, always accept that they are in the wrong and that everything, including male behaviour, is their fault and responsibility.

I have been guilty of it in the past. It was a good 30 years after a sexual assault, when my DD, with the ignorance and innocence of youth, told me I knew nothing about TIM vulnerability because I'd never been assaulted, that I had a lightbulb moment and finally moved on from 'why did I not stop him?' to 'I can't believe that that happened and I thought it was my fault'.

So well-put.

For the parents of gender confused children out there who have made a choice to confirm.

That was your choice to make. None of us have insight as to how and why you made that decision. It is not our business.

However, you made that decision without wider buy-in that this was the right thing to do for society at large. Given this, you could not expect everyone else to affirm also.

There are multiple good reasons why people refuse to pretend that men can become women and vice versa. You have no right to try to emotionally blackmail or intimidate people into supporting the position you took. That is the bottom line.

'The world goes on being round" 'eppor su muove', etc. Forgive my maybe misremembered spelling.

Perspective has always been there. Its simple physics.

What Renaissance painters explored about how to portray that natural phenomenon (they didn't discover it) was a bit more complex, and largely to do with how religious representations had flattened the picture plane during the medieval period. Giotto reasserting human scale and place in the world was part of the precursor to the Enlightenment.

There are parallels (ha!) here with the assertion that a gendered soul outweighs biological sex.

Any woman paying attention to issues around women's sport will be feeling utterly let down by him. He's been appallingly cowardly on that issue.

Yes, and I think this is the crux of why people like Grace Campbell act the way they do. Deep down they KNOW their position is indefensible, and that they’ve chosen to Be Kind to a few people they know personally and then extend the “kindness” into national policy no matter what the actual outcomes are for everyone else.

Their only fallback is deciding that everyone else is bad and they are good, so anything they do is justified. It’s where the thought terminating cliche starts.

He’s still pretty well thought of, just not by right wing activists. The average person isn’t that political and not that bothered - they only paid attention to the football scores in the first place.

Tell that to this podcaster and her pal shrieking 'ugly!' and cackling about allegedly bad hair dos.

Yes, it's not struck me before, but this level of comedy is of the ilk of (say) Benny Hill or 'Take my wife...please', and that didn't age well. They say one of the recipes for comedy is Tragedy plus Time - we certainly have the first.

Nothing about gender ideology has ever made any sense to me. I am unable to go along with it for a great many reasons but the root cause is that it's nonsense. Nobody can change sex. How people dress, how long their hair is, whether they wear makeup, flat shoes etc etc, which hobbies, toys and interests they choose - all aspects of personality. Nothing whatsoever to do with the unavoidable reality of going through life in a female body or a male body, which is not a choice, it's the end result of the chromosomes we acquire at conception.

If my daughter had ever told me she believed she was actually male I would be kindly but firmly telling her that she was and always would be female. I would also be seeking mental health support for her. I would want to find out what she thought would change about her life if she belonged to the opposite sex.

The key difference that nobody can do anything about is reproductive roles, which is a function of biology. Women and girls are treated differently in many ways because of their biology and because of illogical beliefs about how that biology limits or shapes their life options. This can be challenged. It's desperately sad that some confused young women have been conned into thinking that they can opt out of that sexism by pretending to be male. Much healthier to face reality.

I wouldn't be taking to the internet to try to cajole others into going along with her deluded beliefs.

Being kind is indeed normal. Tell that to this podcaster and her pal shrieking 'ugly!' and cackling about allegedly bad hair dos.

No-one denies anyone's right to exist, such a typical dramalama ally comment . What we have said is you cannot change sex and use womens facilities. Fixed that for you.

What "perspective" do you think i don't have on this?

Ms Campbell is uncouth, unfunny, unpleasant and uninformed, despite her privileged background and connections, and seems to have a habit of making very poor life choices. That’s about all you can say about her.

I’m actually finding the derails more interesting, because once again they expose the idiocy of genderism. The logic on display here is especially egregious (love this word).

Jesus actual Christ. You're a bit late, perspective was discovered several centuries ago.

The fact that Grace Campbell is well educated is part of the problem. It's mainly middle class, educated people who buy into the TWAW and TMAM propaganda. I count myself as middle class, but I know the type.

If she'd been poorly educated, she would be far more rooted in reality.

if being "kind" puts women and girls in danger, discomfort or disadvantages them, thats suicidal empathy and we should be wary of being coerced into doing what some males want at our detriment and at risk of our rights.
I agree,that trans people exist and its not my business what they wear or call themselves. If their parents are supportive great with the exception of the medical and surgical transition of children ,thats abusive. If being kind means male trans people try to access female single sex spaces ,services and sports then it's a no from me.
The "raging" is understandable when people use misogyny (as in GC and CC did in the subject of their thread ,they weren't very "kind" to women and girls) to threaten women's rights.
Please get help . Seriously.

Your approach seems very muddled, and based on some very odd beliefs. That's fine in itself, you're entitled to your view, but to preach at other people and try to pressurise or coerced them into going along with what you think is the correct way to think and act is not healthy.

So, gently, can I suggest you think about taking your own advice?

Indeed.

What’s truly ridiculous is imagining that sex is neither fixed nor central to female oppression.

At 32 Grace Campbell is not a baby, and she has this platform purely because of her parentage.

"Last November, after a string of relationships with men had gone wrong, I decided to go to Los Angeles for a few months to try to fulfil my lifelong dream of having sex with an A-list celebrity."

Bit of an eye-opener. Because, to me, this practically shouts low self-esteem, compounded by too many relationships with twats and so deciding that her only possible currency and value lies in her fuckability.

Furthermore porn is littered with men for whom that lack of respect for women is a massive turn on. And men who want to be women epitomise this. AGP has turned contempt for women into a fetish, ffs

Maybe Grace wanting to please this man, whilst clearly being rather worried about him, being encouraged to disrespect other women, and finding value in that, isn't much of a surprise.

I bet her dad's attitude hasn't helped either.

If she ever reads this, my advice would be to find value in something else. Maybe writing, which she would appear to be rather good at.

I've met quite a few people like Grace Campbell. They're the type of people who go on pro-Palestine marches and say spiteful things about Jews, who sing along to hip hop lyrics that glorify violence, and excuse terrible behaviour when it's their side.

They're part of the 'in' group and that gives them full licence to attack the 'out' group (gender critical women are of course part of the 'out' group). There are many examples of this mentality: high school 'mean girls', office bullies, all the way to witch hunters, totalitarian regimes etc.

I have no sympathy for people who behave like this. Their behaviour is toxic.