Truly single-sex bra fittings for DD13

I promise I'm not being horrible but am genuinely chortling at the idea of throwing an Ann Summers party for my 13 year-old. Do they still make you test vibrators on your nose? Not entirely sure that's the vibe I'm hoping for. (I am being facetious and in case my tone comes across bitchy, it's just a really amusing image. Also looking forward to suggesting to all of DD's friends' parents that they send their girls round to our house for an Ann Summers Party. DD would never speak to me again!)

😂

H&M is a good shout for smaller sizes and we do have one locally, but I really would like to walk her through how a proper fitting works.

What about garden trampolines! Headphones! Anorexia! What about me being a lifeguard. Swimming pools!

Come on girls use your naked bodies to validate men, because life is risky anyway and you might as well just add to it.

Also garden trampolines. Really? That made me laugh out loud.

i've heard loads of reasons why women need to offer up their bodies to satisfy men's validation or fetishes, but garden trampolines takes the cake 🤣

Tbere are much more likely and bigger risks in life for a 13yo eg being run over because they are wearing headphones and couldn’t hear the traffic, self harm and eating disorders, sporting injuries especially on garden trampolines.

That’s not to say it is impossible that the OP’s DD will have a man wanking in the next cubicle and will realise that it is happening, but I think since she will be with her mother the chances of this bra fitting turning into a traumatic event are extremely slim.

And what about swimming pool changing rooms? They are usually mixed too. And unlike bra fitting rooms, there definitely will be men. Are these now no-go ares for girls just in case a man decides to have a wank in the next cubicle? I used to be a lifeguard, in the school holidays, we used to der children swimming all day without their parents- they are allowed if they are 8 or older.

Inspired by threads on here re: mixed sex fitting rooms, I need to find somewhere for DD13 (very shy, incredibly embarrassed by EVERYTHING) to have her first ever bra fitting.

M&S is obviously right out, and we don't have a lovely independent shop anywhere near us.

I see John Lewis no longer enforce single-sex changing spaces.

Does anyone have any recommendations of nationwide stores that do truly single-sex bra fittings?

Tbere are much more likely and bigger risks in life for a 13yo eg being run over because they are wearing headphones and couldn’t hear the traffic, self harm and eating disorders, sporting injuries especially on garden trampolines.

That’s not to say it is impossible that the OP’s DD will have a man wanking in the next cubicle and will realise that it is happening, but I think since she will be with her mother the chances of this bra fitting turning into a traumatic event are extremely slim.

And what about swimming pool changing rooms? They are usually mixed too. And unlike bra fitting rooms, there definitely will be men. Are these now no-go ares for girls just in case a man decides to have a wank in the next cubicle? I used to be a lifeguard, in the school holidays, we used to der children swimming all day without their parents- they are allowed if they are 8 or older.

Tbere are much more likely and bigger risks in life for a 13yo eg being run over because they are wearing headphones and couldn’t hear the traffic, self harm and eating disorders, sporting injuries especially on garden trampolines.

That’s not to say it is impossible that the OP’s DD will have a man wanking in the next cubicle and will realise that it is happening, but I think since she will be with her mother the chances of this bra fitting turning into a traumatic event are extremely slim.

And what about swimming pool changing rooms? They are usually mixed too. And unlike bra fitting rooms, there definitely will be men. Are these now no-go ares for girls just in case a man decides to have a wank in the next cubicle? I used to be a lifeguard, in the school holidays, we used to der children swimming all day without their parents- they are allowed if they are 8 or older.

Tbere are much more likely and bigger risks in life for a 13yo eg being run over because they are wearing headphones and couldn’t hear the traffic, self harm and eating disorders, sporting injuries especially on garden trampolines.

That’s not to say it is impossible that the OP’s DD will have a man wanking in the next cubicle and will realise that it is happening, but I think since she will be with her mother the chances of this bra fitting turning into a traumatic event are extremely slim.

And what about swimming pool changing rooms? They are usually mixed too. And unlike bra fitting rooms, there definitely will be men. Are these now no-go ares for girls just in case a man decides to have a wank in the next cubicle? I used to be a lifeguard, in the school holidays, we used to der children swimming all day without their parents- they are allowed if they are 8 or older.

I think if someone is a transwoman, it's just easier to refer to them in that way. Clearer. Then we know it's someone male who presents as someone female, maybe had surgery etc. Opposed to someone with some sort of genetic condition or just a man who looks and presents like one would expect a man to look and present.

Well, you can do that can't you, even though it still doesn't change the reality.

I'm not sure why you are so concerned with how other people choose to describe what they perceive, anyway?

Do you care about that? If I saw someone who was a man but presenting as a woman and I wanted to talk about it with clarity, I'd just say "transwoman" irrespective of how they specifically identify. It would communicate what I meant to whoever i was telling effectively.

Genderists don't necessarily believe that a transwoman wants to be female, but that they are literally a woman, which is (in their belief) a male or female person with a gender identity. So "presenting as female" would exclude some transwomen who believe that being a woman is determined by inner gender identity and not bodily appearance.

None of this is really relevant to OP's situation though, as she's clear it's female-only spaces she wants, regardless of how any male users look.