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Ideas please to get a response from John Lewis to my complaint.

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Nevershoppingagaininjohnlewis · 11/04/2026 09:02

In January, I was horrified to discover at the end of a bra fitting that John Lewis now have unisex changing rooms.

I complained at the time. They took a month to reply to my complaint, and even then JLs response didn't address what I'd raised.

I escalated my complaint mid March. Still no response as of today.

Any suggestions as to what to do next?

I'm thinking a daily X/insta reminder that they haven't replied? However, when I did that for the initial complaint, I was ignored or had a "we've passed your concerns onto the store involved".

The only other think I could think of was an actual letter sent via recorded delivery.

What would you do? This has bothered me too much to let it drop.

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WittyLimeBiscuit · 19/05/2026 08:52

Nevershoppingagaininjohnlewis · 16/05/2026 20:49

I wrote a letter to Jason Tarry, CEO, and sent it recorded delivery. I had a reply via email in a few days from a (the?) Director Relations Case Manager.

She apologised for the poor email response. She contacted the store manager and was given the details of another similar complaint, not mine. Which was good to hear that I wasn't the first to complain about men in the women's changing rooms.

After correcting her about my visit, she investigated further. The bra fittings are now taking place in a different area away from the main changing rooms. They've passed my concerns to the relevant team for review around lack of signage informing customers who is allowed into the changing rooms. Who knows if this will lead to change? All I know is that I should not have had my autonomy taken away from me to make an informed decision about where I undress with men the other side of a curtain.

I wish signage would now be put in the changing rooms... But I don't think it will, as I'm too cynical about this stuff. The review will conclude women don't need to know this information, I'm sure.

Thanks for all PP who gave me pointers to get a response.

Coming to this late. But well done @Nevershoppingagaininjohnlewis .
If they don't put up clear signage — and let's fact it, none of us will be holding our breaths on that — why not write a letter to your local newspaper or see if you can upload something to local news platforms as a citizen journalist.
As @MsGreying points out, large corporations do (sometimes) think about their reputation.
I was recently asked to complete feedback after registering on the John Lewis app (in my defence, it was for a MoB hat). I mentioned the vile state of the mixed loos near their rooftop terrace, and the smell of male urine in the loos on the next level down which were supposedly just for women.
JL, M&S and the rest of them need a constant drip feed of comments and complaints.

ScaryM0nster · 18/05/2026 08:43

There’s also an opportunity here for you to learn, very few areas actually require signage - and going forward if this is a topic that’s important to you and there isn’t conclusive signage then you’ll need to AJs rather than assume.

MsGreying · 17/05/2026 13:17

Trust pilot.

Large companies will monitor that and react quickly.

Nevershoppingagaininjohnlewis · 16/05/2026 20:49

I wrote a letter to Jason Tarry, CEO, and sent it recorded delivery. I had a reply via email in a few days from a (the?) Director Relations Case Manager.

She apologised for the poor email response. She contacted the store manager and was given the details of another similar complaint, not mine. Which was good to hear that I wasn't the first to complain about men in the women's changing rooms.

After correcting her about my visit, she investigated further. The bra fittings are now taking place in a different area away from the main changing rooms. They've passed my concerns to the relevant team for review around lack of signage informing customers who is allowed into the changing rooms. Who knows if this will lead to change? All I know is that I should not have had my autonomy taken away from me to make an informed decision about where I undress with men the other side of a curtain.

I wish signage would now be put in the changing rooms... But I don't think it will, as I'm too cynical about this stuff. The review will conclude women don't need to know this information, I'm sure.

Thanks for all PP who gave me pointers to get a response.

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BusyAzureTraybake · 28/04/2026 13:24

@Nevershoppingagaininjohnlewis JL said they can't do bra fittings behind locked doors for the safety of their partners conducting the fitting. I completely understand that.

Yet that is exactly what my M&S does. I do wish these firms would get their bloody safeguarding act together.

Womanofcustard · 28/04/2026 13:14

To all those who say that men’s and women’s clothes are on separate floors - it’s men who will be trying on women’s clothes and masturbating in the women’s changing cubicles.
Keep up!

RogueFemale · 14/04/2026 23:03

@Datun "it's not women who have started a porn genre having orgasms in men's changing rooms, is it?"

THIS

bugalugs45 · 14/04/2026 01:59

Screamingabdabz · 11/04/2026 10:05

Don’t worry - the last couple of times I’ve been in JL (different towns) they’ve been dead. Only the dumb dog walkers letting their dogs snuffle in all the clothes. They’ll go out of business soon.

Previously I would have agreed with you , but they’ve just paid their partners an annual bonus for the first time since pre covid so appears the tide maybe turning

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 13/04/2026 18:11

its derelict uncaring and cruel to exclude males from single sex spaces. HOw dare a shop consider the needs and wants of young girls in such a way

MissGendering · 13/04/2026 17:40

'FIRST BRA
.... Our bra fitters can measure over T-shirts, and you’re welcome to bring along a female family member or friend.'

SwirlyGates · 13/04/2026 16:45

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 12/04/2026 21:20

Was he using the changing room? You also get dads who have to take their daughters bra shopping
You do also get men asked for opinions on clothes or having to be gophers
I imagine it’s like leisure centres - it’s unisex if there are cubicles. Single sex when it’s communal . No one sees anyone else if it’s cubicles, and it’s getting close to freaking about how under our clothes we’re all naked .

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Surely dads don't go in the changing rooms when their daughters are trying on bras? It's bad enough going in with your mum; every teenager I've ever known would be mortified by going in with their dad.

As for opinions, or fetching clothes, it's normal (or used to be) for the women to come out of the changing room to ask the waiting man for an opinion, or to fetch clothes, not for the men to hang around inside the changing room.

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 12/04/2026 21:20

Was he using the changing room? You also get dads who have to take their daughters bra shopping
You do also get men asked for opinions on clothes or having to be gophers
I imagine it’s like leisure centres - it’s unisex if there are cubicles. Single sex when it’s communal . No one sees anyone else if it’s cubicles, and it’s getting close to freaking about how under our clothes we’re all naked .

Shortshriftandlethal · 12/04/2026 14:26

Nevershoppingagaininjohnlewis · 11/04/2026 10:30

Happy to respond to the question, as I wish more people knew what is being taken away in the name of inclusivity.

The bra fitting all took place behind a loose fitting curtain. The man was the other side of the curtain.

JL said they can't do bra fittings behind locked doors for the safety of their partners conducting the fitting. I completely understand that.

However, there is no other space in the store where the fitting could have taken place behind a curtain in a female only space.

There were no signs in the changing room or store indicating the changing rooms were unisex.

I would have cancelled the fitting if I'd known what was expected. And I'm a confident middle aged woman.

Which branch is this if you don't mind my asking? My local JL still has cubicles with doors, and the bra fitting section is on the other side of the women's clothing department - also with doors.

Nevershoppingagaininjohnlewis · 12/04/2026 13:46

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 12/04/2026 13:29

The John Lewis I went to last week for my bra fitting had the changing room on the floor with all the other women’s wear. Menswear was on another floor. No idea if the changing rooms were officially unisex or not though there would no compelling reason for a man to use that one (but each cubicle was self contained -solid partitions and a floorlength curtain).

My changing room was next to the lingerie. I (wrongly) presumed it was women only, as that's where my bra fitting was booked to take place.

I was wrong to have assumed.

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Littlemisscat · 12/04/2026 13:40

Contact customer services and ask for your complaint to be escalated to a manager and also ask for CEO office contact. JLP have moved their customer service overseas ( predominantly South Africa) and Waitrose will be the same from summer!

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 12/04/2026 13:29

The John Lewis I went to last week for my bra fitting had the changing room on the floor with all the other women’s wear. Menswear was on another floor. No idea if the changing rooms were officially unisex or not though there would no compelling reason for a man to use that one (but each cubicle was self contained -solid partitions and a floorlength curtain).

hahabahbag · 12/04/2026 13:10

Unisex changing rooms are not illegal. You cannot make them reply either. If you want a public debate on whether shops should have single sex changing rooms I suggest writing to one of the more reactionary media outlets.

The irony is that one of the reasons our local M&S switched to unisex was mothers complaining about not being allowed to bring boys over 8 into the female changing rooms and vice versa. (Same issues with swimming pools) you change rules to help one group and another complains. At our John Lewis there are changing rooms on each floor and men’s clothing is with the electrical goods, ladies has a whole floor and children’s wear is with lingerie

Nevershoppingagaininjohnlewis · 12/04/2026 13:02

WateringCans · 11/04/2026 22:34

I used the bra fitting service in JL for my young teen daughter today. Women and Men’s clothes are on different floors. So no men in changing room. My DD was too embarrassed to even carry the bras past the men sitting outside waiting for their wives, so I was charged with that.

we were then helped by the most lovely young woman who was so good with my daughter. JL at its best.

So glad it was a positive experience today. This stuff does really make a difference and it seems mad that we have to fight to protect such spaces.

As the mother of a daughter, this is why it has irked me so much. Had what happened to her happened to me when I took her for one of her early fittings, she'd never gone again.

The man in my changing room was there with his wife. Wife wanted husband opinion on something. So he was in the communal area waiting for her to pull back the curtain.

Why he couldn't have waited outside, I don't know.

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Rightsraptor · 12/04/2026 12:10

It would be lawful under the EQA 2010 to have female-only lingerie fitting rooms. It's perfectly understandable to those of us with any experience of our world, plus some common sense, that girls & women do not want males a few inches away from them when having a bra fitting or whatever. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.

If JL and others don't offer this, I suspect it's an economic decision - clustering the changing rooms in more awkward corners of the shop floor might allow for more efficient use of floor space for sales. Lord knows they need it.

So - if they can make an economic decision, so can I. But if I'm wrong and it's a political decision, then ditto. So can I.

Rhaidimiddim · 12/04/2026 11:55

AStonedRose · 12/04/2026 11:31

I understand perfectly. Cheers.

are you happy for people to boycott JL, potentially leading to women losing their livelihoods, because they have unisex fitting rooms?

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Yes.

I don't shop there any more. For practical reasons and ideological ones.

Chersfrozenface · 12/04/2026 11:54

Anyway, all JL has to do is have three changing rooms - women only, men only and mixed sex. And by women and men I mean as defined by the Supreme Court.

Rhaidimiddim · 12/04/2026 11:53

AStonedRose · 12/04/2026 11:17

what’s pro-women about trying to shut down a business that employs mainly women?

because they have unisex changing rooms?

srsly?

Women have no obligation to support a business because it employs mainly women. Women customers support businesses that meet their needs.

SwirlyGates · 12/04/2026 11:46

AStonedRose · 12/04/2026 11:31

I understand perfectly. Cheers.

are you happy for people to boycott JL, potentially leading to women losing their livelihoods, because they have unisex fitting rooms?

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Individuals are free to boycott whichever company they want, for whatever reason they want. If JL went under, plenty of men would lose their jobs too, and of course they are the ones earning more money.

https://gender-pay-gap.service.gov.uk/employers/13/reporting-year-2025/gender-pay-gap-report

JOHN LEWIS PLC gender pay gap report for 2025-26 reporting year

https://gender-pay-gap.service.gov.uk/employers/13/reporting-year-2025/gender-pay-gap-report