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With a switch of a letter in DNA ‘dark matter,’ Israeli scientists change sex of mouse

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IwantToRetire · 10/04/2026 18:56

Bar-Ilan University researchers use CRISPR tool to alter Enh13 switch controlling Sox9 gene, causing XX mice to develop as males; study may help explain other genetic mutations ...

Gonen laid the groundwork of her research by saying that when people talk about sex, “many people have the tendency to confuse biological sex with gender and with sexual orientation, but those are actually three different pillars or layers.”

Sex determination is a process that is “fully biological,” and it “all happens during embryonic development, giving rise to males or females.”

"We understand much of it, but not all of it,” she said.

The next issue is gender, she said, which may have a biological trait, “but we don’t have really good tools to study that with mice.”

“No mouse will come and tell me, ‘Look, I’m a female, but I feel like I’m a male,'” she said. “Those are things that are really hard to study, but we know they are there.”

She said that one in 100 children and adults around the world, including Israel, will feel like they don’t match their biological sex.

Finally, the last pillar is sexual orientation.

“Most males are attracted to females and females are attracted to males, but you can have females attracted to females and males attracted to males. We know that this also exists in the animal kingdom, but it’s harder to study. Mice won’t say who they’re very attracted to.”

Full article https://www.timesofisrael.com/with-a-switch-of-a-letter-in-dna-dark-matter-israeli-scientists-change-sex-of-mouse/

And for those who can understand the language, this is the paper the artaicle is based on

A single-nucleotide enhancer mutation overrides chromosomal sex to drive XX male development
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-71328-9

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Geneticsbunny · 10/04/2026 20:36

Happy to answer any extra science questions you have.

IwantToRetire · 10/04/2026 20:34

@Geneticsbunny thanks for posts. In a rush now so hope to re read later, and try and understand.

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Geneticsbunny · 10/04/2026 20:32

There is lots of research into how embryos develop from a single cell into a whole person full of different types of cells. This is just part of that research. Its important for lots of reasons but in terms of obvious stuff it could enable us to help treat infertility or treat people with DSD if they wanted treatment.

IwantToRetire · 10/04/2026 20:29

Geneticsbunny · 10/04/2026 20:24

Dark matter just means all the dna that doesnt directly have templates to make proteins. Scientiats used to call it junk dna. It makes up 98% of the actual length of the dna and obviously was important for something else but scientists are only just working out what some of it does.

The paper is talking about a bit of dna called an enhancer which basically controls whether a gene can be switched on or off.

What they have found is that if you effectively smash the switch up (by using a technology called crispr) , you cant turn the gene on any more and the person default develops as a male.

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Many thanks, most have cross posted.

I can just about grasp that.

Do they in any way explain why they want to do this?

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Geneticsbunny · 10/04/2026 20:28

They are just trying to understand which genes control the development of sexual characteristics.

You cant switch this in an actual child and if you did they would be infertile

IwantToRetire · 10/04/2026 20:26

viques · 10/04/2026 20:10

When will they develop the very special technology that will allow scientists to interrogate a human foetus at the stage before the critical moment to alter their sex, to ask if they feel more like a boy or more like a girl?

Because phew, imagine the lawsuit if they got it wrong!

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Is this just another option to choosing to an abortion if it is found the fetus is biologically female?

Instead you tweak this "dark matter".

I did wonder if in the research paper they explained why they were doing this.

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Geneticsbunny · 10/04/2026 20:24

Dark matter just means all the dna that doesnt directly have templates to make proteins. Scientiats used to call it junk dna. It makes up 98% of the actual length of the dna and obviously was important for something else but scientists are only just working out what some of it does.

The paper is talking about a bit of dna called an enhancer which basically controls whether a gene can be switched on or off.

What they have found is that if you effectively smash the switch up (by using a technology called crispr) , you cant turn the gene on any more and the person default develops as a male.

viques · 10/04/2026 20:10

When will they develop the very special technology that will allow scientists to interrogate a human foetus at the stage before the critical moment to alter their sex, to ask if they feel more like a boy or more like a girl?

Because phew, imagine the lawsuit if they got it wrong!

IwantToRetire · 10/04/2026 20:02

I'm half hoping that someone can read the research report and put it into plain English!

Who knew that DNA had "dark matter"?

Shock
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