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Younger generations being pro trans

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PeachyDaisy · 10/04/2026 05:22

I know many are saying the trans debate is over, but I think it has only just begun. And the reason is the younger generation. Studies show young people are the most supportive of transwomen going into women's spaces amongst all groups. In 20 years, these people will be in positions of power making decisions where they can enact their beliefs.

Also most of the western world has fallen to trans ideology (which activists will use as credibility for their ideology). I don't buy the argument that as long as it is just in EU/Australia/CA/ NZ then it is contained.

Having the laws on our side and sex matters fighting is great, but it feels like little consolation if we have to spend the next 50 years constantly in a court room suing organisations as they continue to to flaunt the law. It is like wack a mole, you stop one stop one organisation from doing it whilst another one pops up.

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ChamonixMountainBum · 10/04/2026 12:02

Purely ancedotal, but my nieces were all teenagers when the trans train rocked into town and at one point it seemed half their class were identifying as non binary/they them/pan sexual or whatever. Fast forward several years and they have finished uni and in the work place and they look back and joke about it all being a fad and a fear of missing out. Reminded me of when I was at school and the cool kid decided to become vegetarian, within a few weeks half the class were on the bandwagon and by the end of the year it had all fizzled out as the next cool thing came over the horizon.

DialSquare · 10/04/2026 11:53

rabbitwoman · 10/04/2026 11:45

I don't actually have any of my own children.

But i am a teacher and I so I get the privilege of talking - although, mostly listening- to a wide range of kids about all sorts of things.

And let me absolutely guarantee- some of them may have higher IQs than me, sone of them might get better grades than I do. But they really don't have a clue about the world. Especially not the ones who are the most confident that they do.

Especially not the ones who are the most confident that they do.

This is so true.
I remember family friend telling us about a conversation with her son when he was very young. She said “I taught you everything you know, not everything I know, just everything you know”. It really resonates with me now I’m much older.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 10/04/2026 11:51

I'm in my late 30s and it wasnt something we even had to consider when I was young. So im not sure how anyone can say how our attitudes have changed if we were never asked. You can ask my kids now, and then 20 years later. You cant compare my answer to 20 years ago because nobody asked me for one.

rabbitwoman · 10/04/2026 11:45

Shortshriftandlethal · 10/04/2026 11:21

I'm not even sure exactly what it is referring to? Whose children, what issue, and why?

I don't actually have any of my own children.

But i am a teacher and I so I get the privilege of talking - although, mostly listening- to a wide range of kids about all sorts of things.

And let me absolutely guarantee- some of them may have higher IQs than me, sone of them might get better grades than I do. But they really don't have a clue about the world. Especially not the ones who are the most confident that they do.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/04/2026 11:41

TheKeatingFive · 10/04/2026 11:16

I have also had a couple of parents tell me that their children are so much cleverer and know so much more than we do - about identity and about the world

I'm curious as to where this idea came from. This is completely counter to the ethos I was brought up in. When did that change?

Lots of reasons. Including being your child's friend rather than a responsible parent establishing boundaries.
Fear. Children are often taught that if their parent understands that sex is binary, knows facts and reality and wants to safeguard them from an age inappropriate ideology then the parent's a bigot and dangerous. You need them out of your life.

Xanadu78 · 10/04/2026 11:39

My Gen Alpha daughter would be cordial to someone they met IRL but is quite gender critical and has said that she does not want to share female spaces or organisations with them.

Shortshriftandlethal · 10/04/2026 11:21

TheKeatingFive · 10/04/2026 11:16

I have also had a couple of parents tell me that their children are so much cleverer and know so much more than we do - about identity and about the world

I'm curious as to where this idea came from. This is completely counter to the ethos I was brought up in. When did that change?

I'm not even sure exactly what it is referring to? Whose children, what issue, and why?

Shortshriftandlethal · 10/04/2026 11:20

FKAT · 10/04/2026 11:18

Yes, the millennials are very keen on thinking of themselves as young or the voice of the youth. Look at wee Owen Jones (41 - the same age as my friend who is a granny).

Millennials are a big age grouping. It supposedly stretches from 1981 to 2000.

FKAT · 10/04/2026 11:18

Shortshriftandlethal · 10/04/2026 10:03

I suspect when the OP refers to " younger generations" she is referring to millennials or the generation one below. The generations coming up behind are really past it all and are moving on to new things. My daughter teaches 11-18 year olds, and the younger ones just roll their eyes now, and openly reject the notion of 'gender identity'. Most often, it is the activist teachers that are pushing it........and i suspect it is this generation of teachers that the OP is referring to.

'Gender identity' is really a generational fad...in the way that Emos/Goths/Indigo children were in their time.....but a fad that has successfully been pushed and inserted into every institution by a secretive and powerful lobby.

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Yes, the millennials are very keen on thinking of themselves as young or the voice of the youth. Look at wee Owen Jones (41 - the same age as my friend who is a granny).

Kiminki · 10/04/2026 11:17

TheKeatingFive · 10/04/2026 11:16

I have also had a couple of parents tell me that their children are so much cleverer and know so much more than we do - about identity and about the world

I'm curious as to where this idea came from. This is completely counter to the ethos I was brought up in. When did that change?

It gets reeled out each August as a reason for grade inflation

TheKeatingFive · 10/04/2026 11:16

rabbitwoman · 10/04/2026 10:52

I have also had a couple of parents tell me that their children are so much cleverer and know so much more than we do - about identity and about the world.

And then they tell their children that.

And then I sit back and watch..... because I just cannot battle against that......

I have also had a couple of parents tell me that their children are so much cleverer and know so much more than we do - about identity and about the world

I'm curious as to where this idea came from. This is completely counter to the ethos I was brought up in. When did that change?

Kiminki · 10/04/2026 11:16

It is curious how young people starting out in the world with little money believe everyone should share all their wealth. But older people who have worked very hard for years and gone without in order to pay their mortgage and save for pensions should wish to hang onto that which they have acquired. I wonder what drives such a shift…?

Waitwhat23 · 10/04/2026 10:57

Helleofabore · 10/04/2026 10:43

The way I see it from polling data coming through from around the world is that support generally for male people being included in female single sex provisions is dropping.

We so commonly see the misrepresentation of the real situation used on threads here about how generally the majority of people are 'supportive' of those with transgender identities. And if an open ended question is asked, that is the case. People will usually be overly optimistic in self-reporting this. Hence I would not trust such open ended questions.

What is necessary is to then drill down into whether that person directly supports male people with transgender identities being included in specific situations.

In my opinion, if even one of those situations is not 'supported' eg, sports or prisons or rape crisis support or communal changing rooms, then that 'support' is being over reported and is limited and conditional. ie. not support outside a generic feeling of support that is limited when questioned.

Quite. When the question asked is not the nedulous 'do you support trans rights' but the rather more concrete 'do you think that someone who identifies as a woman but was born male, has male genitalia*, should be allowed to use female changing rooms where women and girls are undressing, even if those women object?', the answers are considerably more opposed -

wingsoverscotland.com/transforming-the-question/

*I don't agree even if said man has chopped off his dick but that's what the question in the link asked

rabbitwoman · 10/04/2026 10:52

I have also had a couple of parents tell me that their children are so much cleverer and know so much more than we do - about identity and about the world.

And then they tell their children that.

And then I sit back and watch..... because I just cannot battle against that......

Shortshriftandlethal · 10/04/2026 10:48

Daisylove1 · 10/04/2026 10:29

Concerning!? is tolerance really a big deal? Younger people have bigger fish to fry than a trans person going about their day.

The girls in my granddaughter's school were very upset and confused when another girl, their friend, came back to school after lockdown declaring she was now a boy and wanted to be referred to as 'he'. This friend shouted at them for 'misgendering' her and all of a sudden expected special and different treatment to everyone else. They were 10 years old. The impacts of trans ideology effect everyone around that person. Other children also have rights

Helleofabore · 10/04/2026 10:44

I also think people start to change their minds once they themselves have children and gain an understanding of safeguarding their own children.

What I am seeing often on FWR is a sentiment from those who wish to discredit valid arguments is that 'safeguarding' is infantilising to women in some way and that it is falsely polarised into being the tool of the far right wing political group so therefore it must be rejected .

Helleofabore · 10/04/2026 10:43

The way I see it from polling data coming through from around the world is that support generally for male people being included in female single sex provisions is dropping.

We so commonly see the misrepresentation of the real situation used on threads here about how generally the majority of people are 'supportive' of those with transgender identities. And if an open ended question is asked, that is the case. People will usually be overly optimistic in self-reporting this. Hence I would not trust such open ended questions.

What is necessary is to then drill down into whether that person directly supports male people with transgender identities being included in specific situations.

In my opinion, if even one of those situations is not 'supported' eg, sports or prisons or rape crisis support or communal changing rooms, then that 'support' is being over reported and is limited and conditional. ie. not support outside a generic feeling of support that is limited when questioned.

Branleuse · 10/04/2026 10:43

In my experience, a lot of young people go along with it, but most don't actually believe it.

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 10/04/2026 10:41

Anecdotal, but 18yo DD and her friends seem to have become increasingly gender critical in the last few years, although most of them wouldn't even know the term itself.

They've grown up alongside probably the first generation of "trans" kids who have been openly affirmed, and mostly they just seem to find them hard work. Apparently they tend to be people who cause a lot of drama, and make everything about themselves, and then complain when their ostracized for it.

As a result that's they eye they use when looking at issues in sports, female spaces etc. That it's people pushing their way into spaces they shouldn't be, making it all about them, and causing drama when it's pointed out they shouldn't be there.

DD in particular has gone from being incredibly upset about 5 years ago when she found out she was a "hateful bigot" to thinking she's right about pretty much everything, although she still doesn't love the way she says some of it.

SwirlyGates · 10/04/2026 10:39

Daisylove1 · 10/04/2026 10:29

Concerning!? is tolerance really a big deal? Younger people have bigger fish to fry than a trans person going about their day.

As long as "going about their day" doesn't involve males in women's toilets, or women's changing rooms, or women's sports, or women's rape crisis centres and refuges, or female-only organisations; as long as these males are not expecting me to refer to them as woman/she/her, or claiming to be women while assaulting/threatening/filming in women-only spaces, we're all good.

The younger you are the less you have experienced in life. Give them time and they will see.

Helleofabore · 10/04/2026 10:33

To add this as it seems relevant.

THE SEX MATTERS MARCH 2026 DATA SPLICED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE AGE GROUP OF 18-24

For each of the following, do you prefer them to be single sex or mixed sex?
Changing rooms in gyms and leisure centres
(General population / 18-24 yr)
Single sex 84% ( 18-24 yr 85%)
Mixed sex 10% ( 18-24 yr 9%)
Unsure 7% ( 18-24 yr 6%)

Changing rooms and showers at work
Single sex 86% ( 18-24 yr 84%)
Mixed sex 8% ( 18-24 yr 10%)
Unsure 6% ( 18-24 yr 6%)

Public toilets, for example in parks
Single sex 81% ( 18-24 yr 77%)
Mixed sex 13% ( 18-24 yr 16%)
Unsure 6% ( 18-24 yr 7%)

Workplace toilets
Single sex 78% ( 18-24 yr 74%)
Mixed sex 14% ( 18-24 yr 17%)
Unsure 8% ( 18-24 yr 9%)

Toilets in a pub or entertainment venue
Single sex 81% ( 18-24 yr 74%)
Mixed sex 13% ( 18-24 yr 17%)
Unsure 7% ( 18-24 yr 9%)

A transgender person is someone who says they are the other sex, that is, a person born male who identifies as a woman, or a person born female who identifies as a man. How do you think transgender people should be accommodated in toilets…
(General population / 18-24 yr)

At work
They should be allowed to use whichever facilities they prefer 21% ( 18-24 yr 38%)
They should not use facilities for the opposite sex but there should be an alternative 33% ( 18-24 yr 38%)
They should use the facilities of their sex at birth 36% ( 18-24 yr 18%)
Unsure 12% ( 18-24 yr 6%)

In gyms and leisure centres
They should be allowed to use whichever facilities they prefer 19% ( 18-24 yr 30%)
They should not use facilities for the opposite sex but there should be an alternative 34% ( 18-24 yr 42%)
They should use the facilities of their sex at birth 36% ( 18-24 yr 21%)
Unsure 12% ( 18-24 yr 7%)

At university
They should be allowed to use whichever facilities they prefer 20% ( 18-24 yr 31%)
They should not use facilities for the opposite sex but there should be an alternative 32% ( 18-24 yr 35%)
They should use the facilities of their sex at birth 37% ( 18-24 yr 23%)
Unsure 12% ( 18-24 yr 11%)

In a bar or entertainment venue
They should be allowed to use whichever facilities they prefer 20% ( 18-24 yr 33%)
They should not use facilities for the opposite sex but there should be an alternative 32% ( 18-24 yr 32%)
They should use the facilities of their sex at birth 37% ( 18-24 yr 26%)
Unsure 12% ( 18-24 yr 8%)

In public toilets, for example in parks
They should be allowed to use whichever facilities they prefer 19% ( 18-24 yr 30%)
They should not use facilities for the opposite sex but there should be an alternative 32% ( 18-24 yr 33%)
They should use the facilities of their sex at birth 37% ( 18-24 yr 28%)
Unsure 12% ( 18-24 yr 9%)

In hospital
They should be allowed to use whichever facilities they prefer 20% ( 18-24 yr 30%)
They should not use facilities for the opposite sex but there should be an alternative 30% ( 18-24 yr 32%)
They should use the facilities of their sex at birth 35% ( 18-24 yr 28%)
Unsure 11% ( 18-24 yr 10%)

How do you think transgender people should be accommodated in changing rooms and showers…
At work
They should be allowed to use whichever facilities they prefer 19% ( 18-24 yr 30%)
They should not use facilities for the opposite sex but there should be an alternative 35% ( 18-24 yr 39%)
They should use the facilities of their sex at birth 35% ( 18-24 yr 24%)
Unsure 11% ( 18-24 yr 7%)

In gyms and leisure centres
They should be allowed to use whichever facilities they prefer 18% ( 18-24 yr 28%)
They should not use facilities for the opposite sex but there should be an alternative 36% ( 18-24 yr 43%)
They should use the facilities of their sex at birth 35% ( 18-24 yr 23%)
Unsure 11% ( 18-24 yr 7%)

At university
They should be allowed to use whichever facilities they prefer 18% ( 18-24 yr 26%)
They should not use facilities for the opposite sex but there should be an alternative 35% ( 18-24 yr 35%)
They should use the facilities of their sex at birth 36% ( 18-24 yr 30%)
Unsure 12% ( 18-24 yr 8%)

Here is the link to the data:
https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Omni-Sex-Matters-polling-March-2026.pdf

A link to the article:
https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/new-poll-shows-most-people-prefer-single-sex-toilets-and-changing-rooms/

A couple of points to consider with this poll. It didn't separate questions with specific scenarios about male people with transgender identities and female people with transgender identities. Many of the young people answering may have a very different focus depending on the sex of the person. Many female people at that age for instance will have female friends with transgender identities that they are supporting in what they understand that female friend wants.

However, even though some do (moreso than older generations) believe that people should choose the provision, the majority of this age group do not believe that people of the opposite sex should be using the opposite sex single sex provision.

The majority of this age group also WANT single sex provisions.

I don't believe that 18-24 year old will be supporting transwomen going into women's spaces any time in the future without some significant scientific findings that change the foundational fact that people cannot change sex and sex is important in some instances.

Note: The next age group up are less supportive of people with transgender identities using opposite sex provisions than 18-24 year olds.

https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Omni-Sex-Matters-polling-March-2026.pdf

LazyCatLtd · 10/04/2026 10:32

Wearenotborg · 10/04/2026 05:25

Older people could stop this so easily. They all se “trans” as cool and edgy. I bet if all their parents suddenly started “identifying as trans” it’d soon stop. Like when your child brings over someone horrible as a boy/girlfriend. Instead of ranting and banning them, praise them. Taking away the opposition takes away a lot of the desire to “stick it to the oldies “.

Haha! Thats a great idea. If I told my kids I am now a man they’d be utterly horrified.

Waitwhat23 · 10/04/2026 10:31

Daisylove1 · 10/04/2026 10:29

Concerning!? is tolerance really a big deal? Younger people have bigger fish to fry than a trans person going about their day.

You really need to re-read that post and see where you went wrong.

oldtiredcyclist · 10/04/2026 10:31

Shortshriftandlethal · 10/04/2026 10:13

I do wonder why the Labour party has refused to ban social media for children...at a time when an increasing number of countries are now doing exactly that. To my mind the whole trans phenommenon( for children) has been spread and propagated by social media......I suspect many MPs are as addicted to social media and the 'politics' found within it as young people are to TikTok and You Tube..hence their reluctance to ban it.

Was it the Labour party which wanted to lower the voting age to 16, which has also been loud and proud on the gender ideology front (I am looking at you Lisa Nandy)? It was also the Labour party who were in control of many of the councils which were involved in the child grooming gang scandals. The Labour party are well aware of their voter demographics and will do anything to keep them and to possibly add more people to their voting pool.

SwirlyGates · 10/04/2026 10:30

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"Ignorant"? We are among the most well-informed people you will find on the issues involving trans people ,and the huge conflict with women's rights.