Younger generations being pro trans

I have observed the opposite. Being isolated from the relentless “Be Kind “ movement at school and uni allowed them to think more critically. The toxic cancel environment was more effective in real life face to face situations than on line. If you were kicked out of a What’s App group you just joined another which maybe excluded the activists. Cancelling in real life wasn’t possible, you can’t effectively police a cancelling when the only contact you have is online.

On Mumsnet you can easily be pro trans on one thread, name change and be gender critical on another. My DS is on multiple What’s App groups where they often exclude some friends for various reasons. DS is aware that he is not on some groups for the same reason. But this is the same in real life, you can’t be part of every group and every conversation.

Fear of exclusion was one of the driving forces of “Be Kind”. The explosion of social media platforms has definitely diluted the message since they can only police the groups that include them. Perhaps this is why they are so furious, they no longer control the dialogue.

My 16 year old DD has changed her views as she’s gone through secondary school, she’s now as GC as I am. It was certainly a journey but one she made mostly without intervention from me. There’s hope, because I know she’s not alone amongst her school friends.

@dinggirl what you see as "tolerant" is actually the most bigoted attitude ever. These are the " no debate" people who cant present a logical argument so have to bully people into silence.

If years of being sexually harassed or even assaulted by men - years of learned caution and alertness - isn’t enough to generate suspicion and concern about strange men in places where they’re physically vulnerable, the drive to protect their children will push many women in one direction as they age.

Again, I don’t think women who worry about men who are trans in the same way they worry about other biological men are transphobic - because they’re not remotely worried about women who are trans - trans men.

Gen Z is a very tolerant generation, which is what we have brought them up to be. We have taught them not to be homophobic, or racist, so it makes sense they are not going to be transphobic either.

Reminded me of the teenage children of vampires in Terry Pratchett. They all rebelled against their gothic parents by wearing suits and flowery dresses, calling themselves things like Timothy and Samantha and hoping to become accountants in the future. Brilliant observation 🤣

My DC are in their 20s.

they all play or have played competitive sport.

that did the job for me. They are all GC - one in particular is incredibly articulate about it.

This is my children's age group, they are 21 and 18, and yes, this is the age group where this peaked. The kids who were in their mid and early teens during lockdown. I saw it happen with two of the girls in dd's (the 21 year old) year. They both went into lockdown as gender nonconforming lesbians and after many hours spent online they came out of it as trans, both on hormones now, at least one of them crowdfunding for surgery.

You only need to look at all the desperately violent regime changing movements of the 20th century, ushered in by the young, to see how the young can be blindly idealistic - Nazi (overwhelmingly supported by youth vote), Khmer Rouge, Chinese cultural revolution. I’m more worried about a movement to steal houses, relieve boomers (anyone over 40 who disagrees with them) of any accumulated savings

That paper uses data from 1991-2007, doesn't include anyone born after 1989, and has nothing to do with trans issues. What they mean by "gender ideology" is the extent to which people agree with statements like: "‘All in all, family life suffers when the woman has a full time job"

They find that older people are more traditional / conservative, that people get more traditional as they get older, but that there's still a trend towards less conservative attitudes over time.

This is actually bad news for TRAs - it shows that attitudes can and do shift over time within a cohort. So as well as current teens being less into gender ideology than those of five or ten years ago, we can also expect the 20-somethings to grow out of it over time. Of course not all of them, but it's reasonable to expect it to return to being a fringe view that's largely regarded as uncool.

I agree that it appears to be a very specific age group that this affected. I'd say probably those 18-21 now. My dd is 16 and she is GC as are all of her friends. Also agree the boys of her age are far more likely to be influenced by Andrew Tate.

I think it's the Isla Bumbas of the world who are the reason for this ideology to be rooted in. The ones that have graduated from university in the last 10 or 15 years with degrees that don't have a clear path into a career and have taken up jobs in HR and EDI and the charity sector. They are the ones who are clinging on to this and similar issue for dear life. The ~20 year olds that I know are quite sick of it and have also seen with their own eyes what it did to some of their peers.

"I don’t know what age you’re referring to but my 14 year old DD just rolls her eyes anytime the trans issue is mentioned."

Many young people are gender critical at school. It's not as black and white as young people are "captured" and older people are not.

I don’t know what age you’re referring to but my 14 year old DD just rolls her eyes anytime the trans issue is mentioned. I believe she thinks it’s “ attention seeking “ along with furries and the like.

Interestingly in my workplace, there is a long-standing colleague who has transitioned (to identify as a woman) in the last few years and it is the younger colleagues who have raised concerns about not wanting to share toilets with this colleague.

It's old people in positions of power who have force fed this ideology to the young, who adopt the fashion of the moment because they must be part of the herd.

Once upon a time almost everyone smoked. When the harms became apparent most people stopped. The damage young people have done to themselves isnt fully apparent yet but as they age it becomes more obvious. As long as no debate is over the damage done by gender ideology cant be hidden.

The job of the sensible is to try and limit how many people are harmed. The Finnish study showing how transition does not improve mental health and actually makes it worse needs more publicity. The physical harms caused by cross sex hormones needs more publicity.

I have more faith in young people. Once they realise what damage "be kind" has done they wont want their children harmed.

I honestly don't see it ever really going away until those young people who transitioned as children publicly desist.

If by 'accepting a trans' you mean treating a trans person the same as anyone else, then of course I would.

If you mean accepting their worldview, then of course not.

I don't accept any religious worldview either, but no religious person has ever accused me of not wanting them to exist, or excluding them etc.

I am seeing it falling away amongst young people I know. There are still a few zealous adherents but far fewer. As said above the teens treat it more like a niche religion

Both my kids are Gen Z. Both are dubious about gender identity, DS in particular (and he says his friends are too). Though DD admits that she has to keep her proto-TERFness quietish at school, as many of her peer group are still in the #bekind zone.

Yes my DC's are the same..they treat it like a religion. Yes people believe that and but don't be rude about it even though you know it's nonsense.

I've been very keen to show good male and female role models to them to show that you can be a space plumber without needing to 1/ have a penis or 2/ pretend you have a penis.

Amongst my YPs’ groups I see that DC1s year group (aged 21) were fully captured and found it hard to dissent. They were at an interesting stage of their social development (15/16/17/18) during lockdown when they became very dependent on social media at a time when they ought to have been starting to have real relationships with other teens. . DC2 is just a couple of years younger at 19 and far fewer in that group think that it’s possible to change sex. Unfortunately the younger group are more likely to have been influenced by the misogynistic manosphere stuff.

My DCs do not subscribe to the fairy tale that men can become women and vice versa. They don’t hold hate for those claiming this fairy tale is truth but they don’t pander to it.