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Late night surprise about reputation of FWR

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IwantToRetire · 10/04/2026 02:19

I was on Site Stuff to report back on ongoing freezing and noticed another thread about whether Mumsnet should apologise about deleting threads about ongoing conflict in the Middle East.

And there were some comments about there being a border line between legitimate criticism of Israel's policies and anti semitism. And it is this last that get these threads deleted.

So was surprised to see some comment on this thread saying it was as bad as some threads on FWR, and those particularly at fault are thos with a GC view point.

(Funnily enough AI suggested a title for this thread along the lines of "Are FWR debates judged differently ..... " but now it has hidden its suggestion, just when I was going to use it.)

Oh its come back

"Are sex and gender debates on FWR judged by different standards?"

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NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2026 11:24

PrettyDamnCosmic · 12/04/2026 11:16

Explicit tagging of contributors can be perceived as rude but the automatic notification of the author when a post is replied to is something that can only be switched off by that author not by the person replying to the post.

They can also turn off tagging notifications. If they don't want to know if they're being replied to (either by quoting or tagging) they're at liberty to change their settings. They are also at liberty to ignore any replies / tags if they so desire.

There's nothing in the Talk Guidelines re tagging being rude. I'm pretty sure most people I've seen moaning about being tagged are complaining about the notification, not the tag itself.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 12/04/2026 11:16

RedToothBrush · 12/04/2026 11:06

Tagging can be perceived as rude on MN. Especially if you ask not to. But I wouldn't call it aggressive.

Explicit tagging of contributors can be perceived as rude but the automatic notification of the author when a post is replied to is something that can only be switched off by that author not by the person replying to the post.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/04/2026 11:16

RedToothBrush · 12/04/2026 11:10

Quoting is regarding differently to @ tagging.

There is @ tagging going on.

Its the singling out that isn't always viewed favourably, but quoting has never been regarded as rude.

As Fluffy said, it was quoting/replying that the poster was complaining about, which is rather unreasonable.

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2026 11:12

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/04/2026 11:08

She was quoted, rather than tagged. That notifies as well I think. Given that it’s not easy to copy and paste any more, it would be difficult to respond to the posts any other way.

I can only copy and paste about 1 time out of 5 attempts these days. I've no clue what's gone on with MN recently.

RedToothBrush · 12/04/2026 11:10

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/04/2026 11:08

She was quoted, rather than tagged. That notifies as well I think. Given that it’s not easy to copy and paste any more, it would be difficult to respond to the posts any other way.

Quoting is regarding differently to @ tagging.

There is @ tagging going on.

Its the singling out that isn't always viewed favourably, but quoting has never been regarded as rude.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/04/2026 11:08

She was quoted, rather than tagged. That notifies as well I think. Given that it’s not easy to copy and paste any more, it would be difficult to respond to the posts any other way.

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2026 11:08

RedToothBrush · 12/04/2026 11:06

Tagging can be perceived as rude on MN. Especially if you ask not to. But I wouldn't call it aggressive.

That poster actually meant replying, however, which also sends an email notification if you've not bothered to change your settings.

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2026 11:07

Falsely accusing someone of aggression because you're unable to work out how to turn notifications off is really not in the spirit of reasonable debate is it.

Nope. I did temper my post to not say exactly what I really think about people using such tactics. I didn't want a deletion! 🤣

RedToothBrush · 12/04/2026 11:06

Tagging can be perceived as rude on MN. Especially if you ask not to. But I wouldn't call it aggressive.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/04/2026 11:04

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2026 10:17

I'm not even sure it's the replying which is 'aggressive', it's the notifications from MN! If that's the case, people need to learn how to use MN settings and turn them off.

Blaming the responder for how MN works, unless settings are changed, is totally nonsensical.

Quite incredible to see a poster frantically accusing someone of repeatedly "tagging her" when everyone can see that ThatBlackCat has done nothing of the sort.

Falsely accusing someone of aggression because you're unable to work out how to turn notifications off is really not in the spirit of reasonable debate is it.

Wearenotborg · 12/04/2026 10:55

ThreeWordHarpy · 12/04/2026 08:40

It’s an interesting @ThatBlackCat , there’s another poster in the FWR thread in site stuff also complaining about all the aggressive notifications from people replying to them. I’d never considered before the perspective that simply engaging with someone on a discussion forum could be seen as aggressive, but you live and learn.

And to answer the OP, I’m surprised that a regular MN user is unaware of the reputation of this particular board as a hell pit of nasty transphobia from posters who regard it as the naughty corner. Usually from the same people who say that JKR is evil but are unable to articulate why beyond she’s “not kind”.

Well when people are told words are violence, surely notify someone about saying some words is doubly violent, because you’ve got the words in the notification and the words themselves!

Wearenotborg · 12/04/2026 10:52

ItsNotOrwell · 12/04/2026 08:35

I didn’t actually mean the core debate (women’s rights), but the debate about the how hostile to other women this board is.

I’ve been welcomed with open arms. Maybe it’s the women not coming in here in good faith, and wanting to scold others that are getting challenged. If you’re used to the love ins on Reddit and bluesky, sure, the direct questions and disagreement can seem aggressive, but I was taught in high school, don’t say anything you can’t back up. Edited for spelling.

RedToothBrush · 12/04/2026 10:38

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NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2026 10:17

ThatBlackCat · 12/04/2026 08:19

Yep, that's exactly what I'm doing.

But apparently daring to even reply, at all, is 'aggressive'. Silly me for thinking this was a discussion forum.

I'm not even sure it's the replying which is 'aggressive', it's the notifications from MN! If that's the case, people need to learn how to use MN settings and turn them off.

Blaming the responder for how MN works, unless settings are changed, is totally nonsensical.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/04/2026 10:01

DialSquare · 12/04/2026 09:21

🎵It ain’t what you do…..🎵

Indeed 🎵 the last resort of people with zero argument.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/04/2026 10:00

The point is, @ItsNotOrwell is that some other people on this thread you are criticising don’t see these exchanges like you do, they think you’re biased. And you think the same about them. So I’m not sure what the point of constantly scolding people is. They simply don’t agree.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/04/2026 09:57

When people push back against being called “hysterical”, “aggressive” or “childish” for eg.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/04/2026 09:55

ItsNotOrwell · 12/04/2026 09:46

Ie. “No-one is allowed to push back or defend themselves robustly even a little bit or I will complain about it endlessly and inflate the claims far beyond the actual original comments. If this sounds abusive, that’s because it is.”

Oh sure, when people you agree with are rude it’s just “pushing back”, but not other people.

TheKeatingFive · 12/04/2026 09:48

ItsNotOrwell · 12/04/2026 09:46

Ie. “No-one is allowed to push back or defend themselves robustly even a little bit or I will complain about it endlessly and inflate the claims far beyond the actual original comments. If this sounds abusive, that’s because it is.”

We of course they.

Who is stopping you post your point of view?

ItsNotOrwell · 12/04/2026 09:46

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/04/2026 08:44

As previously observed, the claims of “hostility” fall flat when you read some of the rude comments of the people complaining about it. IME the “aggression” is more than matched.

Ie. “No-one is allowed to push back or defend themselves robustly even a little bit or I will complain about it endlessly and inflate the claims far beyond the actual original comments. If this sounds abusive, that’s because it is.”

Theeyeballsinthesky · 12/04/2026 09:36

Gosh I do hope that the scolders are reporting all the transphobia they claim to be here as it's against the guidelines to be transphobic

though of course I expect what they really mean by transphobia is pointing out that no one can change sex, men are not women, women are allowed single sex spaces, that AGP is a thing et etc

DialSquare · 12/04/2026 09:21

🎵It ain’t what you do…..🎵

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ItsNotOrwell · 12/04/2026 08:48

@DrBlackbird

First of all, what are those views that you’ve not changed one bit in 15 years?

Oddly, my views are fairly much the same as the majority of this board re: gender issues. They were that way when I found the board and have remained the same to this day.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/04/2026 08:44

As previously observed, the claims of “hostility” fall flat when you read some of the rude comments of the people complaining about it. IME the “aggression” is more than matched.

ThreeWordHarpy · 12/04/2026 08:40

It’s an interesting @ThatBlackCat , there’s another poster in the FWR thread in site stuff also complaining about all the aggressive notifications from people replying to them. I’d never considered before the perspective that simply engaging with someone on a discussion forum could be seen as aggressive, but you live and learn.

And to answer the OP, I’m surprised that a regular MN user is unaware of the reputation of this particular board as a hell pit of nasty transphobia from posters who regard it as the naughty corner. Usually from the same people who say that JKR is evil but are unable to articulate why beyond she’s “not kind”.

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