Late night surprise about reputation of FWR

There have been many such posters IME.

Is anyone else getting Déjà vu? Didn’t we just have a poster who claimed it’s all “both sides” but our apparent aggression convinced them we were all actually big meanies who hated transpeople and were just making up the threats from TIMs?

I’m sorry that your DD was attacked. Every mother with a daughter is horrified about this possibility.

It does seem, however, that her experience is influencing your view on that one comment. Can you see that such a comment being made is not ‘point proven’ that both sides are nasty? There is a chasm in intent. Because, fgs, a poster is not genuinely wanting your daughter to be attacked!

It’s a stylistic device, in light of your personal apathy, to try to make you/a poster feel more sympathetic to how other women, who have been attacked, feel when you declare no personal objection to allowing a male into female space by virtue of declaring themselves women.

So, if it was said, it would have been born out of deep deep frustration of the many drive by posters coming along with accusations of ‘you’re all mean’.

Yet in proposing you/they are fine with a man who says he’s a woman coming into women’s toilets, there is no acknowledgement that other women are not fine with that and that their feelings are equally if not more legitimate.

Many posters, myself included, know and are fine with older males who want to present themselves in female presenting clothes. I do not believe that gives them a free pass to access all single sex spaces however.

Would you agree or disagree with that last viewpoint?

Of course it’s a statement of that. When it’s directed at me, I take it as someone hoping my child comes to harm so that their point is proven. which isn’t particularly warm and fuzzy.

At the same time allowing other people to live their life without casting judgement did.

I agree and I think most people realise it’s quite goady.

When did 'I don't care' become a view. You opinions have been criticized, that's not hostility, you inability to take criticism is the problem. People don't like the idea that 'you don't care', the ideology you're indifferent to has implications for many others, you not caring about that is up to you, but if you chose to voice your apathy some people are going to voice their disgust at such a selfish opinion. Not hostile just criticism.

“let’s hope it’s not your children attacked by a man posing as a woman to get into a changing room”.

Is a reference to Katie Dolatowski et al, not a rape threat. Is also a statement of the inevitability of a child being hurt at some point if we keep letting men into women's changing rooms.

@TriesNotToBeCynical

Especially when people don’t really know what they’re talking about. I think that’s a large part of the problem, women here are expected to be endlessly patient with uninformed people in a way other discussion groups are not. And those people aren’t particularly blessed with humility or patient themselves, in my experience. And drop in belittling comments about women here. That’s always a feature.

Absolutely not, nor have I suggested anywhere that that should be the case. I understand fully that not everyone will agree with me. I just want to express my views without being insulted. I’m not insulting other people who hold the view that trans rights should be protected, or that they shouldn’t.

You keep flapping about.

You said: For all those who think the aggression is only coming from the GC side

Im asking, who’s said that? If someone has, fine I’ve missed it. But you keep answering that question with “well what do you think about this or that”

Being open to discussion means that people with minority views aren't moderated out or personally insulted. It doesn't mean that people who have considered an argument in detail over a long period have to suddenly change their opinion to agree with you.

Yes, it is. Par for the course on threads like these.

@MyLuckyHelper are you going to answer the question asked.

Are men who think they can change sex right to override the legal position and use women's spaces?

Are women standing up for their legal rights here wrong to do so?

Do feel free to educate yourself further on the misogyny of this “rights” movement @MyLuckyHelper. It doesn’t seem like you’re particularly well informed, as tbf you acknowledge.

Well the GC side aren't issuing them. Yet to your eyes, it's 'both sides' so how do you account for that?

Fair enough but it’s a skewed position to take when there are literally thousands of rape and death threats made by transwomen ( just take a look at the terf is a slur website if you don’t believe that) and you’d be lucky to find a handful on the GC side. I’ve never found one actually threatening any such thing myself.

that being said I’m not embroiled in it enough to have a tally of death or rape threats on either side, so can’t accurately comment on that.

So you think that the GC side have been dishing out any rape/death threats here? Are you going to provide evidence for that? As it's a big claim.

Is that a no, you can’t link me to
comment where someone’s suggested the aggression is only on one side?

what on earth have I said that leads you to believe I’d support anyone issuing rape threats?

Sorry that should have said 'men who dish out'

I’ve definitely seen people say nasty things on both sides - including things like “let’s hope it’s not your children attacked by a man posing as a woman to get into a changing room”. Despite my own daughter having been sexually assaulted (albeit not by a transperson in a toilet) so it’s quite a sensitive subject and I’ve probably taken more notice of that phrase than anything else said.

that being said I’m not embroiled in it enough to have a tally of death or rape threats on either side, so can’t accurately comment on that. And linking me to an example of one, wouldn’t mean the other didn’t exist. So I think my only contribution, which was that there’s absolutely nastiness on both sides, remains my position.

Have you seen that before? How do you feel about men Dustin out rape and death threats to women who are standing up for their legal rights?

And that’s I think why posters here side-eye people who come onto FWR threads to make that claim. Rightly or wrongly.

So do you have a problem with women standing up for their legal rights to single sex spaces?

Do you have a problem with men who want to ignore and override women's rights to single sex spaces?

Who do you think has right on their side here?

I think portraying it as a “both sides” issue, is misleading when as pp said, one side is being “robust” in a way that you find offputting, or being mocking, and the other is getting people banned and threatening women with rape and murder. Sometimes in a veiled way, sometimes completely openly.