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Finnish study on transition and psychiatric outcomes in sex and gender shows increased psychiatric morbidity

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anyolddinosaur · 07/04/2026 10:11

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/apa.70533 Finnish study shows transition did not help psychiatric morbidity. It got worse.

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 07/04/2026 17:45

Sorry @TwoLoonsAndASprout - I got so excited by the data linkage trial news I forgot to say thank you for the Stella O'Malley link!

The Finnish study is likely to be better quality just because it is so complete. I expect a lot of UK records will have gone missing and there seems to be an opt out. But it should at least give some floor values.

nutmeg7 · 07/04/2026 17:40

ThatBlackCat · 07/04/2026 14:20

A great post on X: "What the Finnish data on gender affirmative care shows and why it matters

The Kaltiala study onlinelibrary.wiley.com/share/Q28XIYN99EKZWCV7FXHS?target=10.1111/apa.70533published in Acta Paediatrica this month is among the most methodologically serious pieces of research to emerge from the paediatric gender medicine debate. It draws on Finland's comprehensive national health registers, a resource that allows conclusions of unusual confidence in a field where small samples and lost follow up have plagued the evidence base.

The study followed 2,083 young people referred to gender identity services in Finland between 1996 and 2019, comparing them against 16,643 matched controls. Psychiatric morbidity in the gender-referred group ran at 45.7% before referral, against 15% in matched controls. That baseline disparity alone raises serious questions about whether gender distress in this population is the primary clinical presentation or a secondary feature of more pervasive psychological difficulty.

The more significant finding concerns what happened after referral and treatment. Two or more years after referral, psychiatric morbidity had risen to 61.7% in the gender-referred group, while remaining at 14.6% in controls. The gap between the two groups did not narrow following clinical intervention. It widened. This is not a treatment signal. It is the absence of one.

The study authors concluded that for some adolescents, gender dysphoria may be an outgrowth of deeper psychological problems, and that adoption of a transgender identity may amount to a maladaptive coping mechanism. This conclusion, offered carefully and in measured clinical language, represents a significant departure from the assumptions underpinning the affirmative model. It is also precisely the kind of clinical observation that has been systematically marginalised in professional debate for the better part of a decade.

The same research group's earlier mortality study established that the main predictor of mortality in this population is psychiatric morbidity, and that medical gender reassignment does not have an impact on suicide risk. This finding deserves particular attention because the claim that affirmation is lifesaving has functioned as the primary argument for overriding clinical caution, parental concern, and the ordinary safeguarding standards that paediatric medicine applies in every other context. The Finnish data does not support that claim.

Viewed through the lens of child development, the picture that emerges is coherent and troubling. Bowlby, Ainsworth, and Fonagy established that presentations combining bodily alienation, identity disturbance, and severe mood and anxiety disorder are characteristic of disorganised attachment and mentalisation failure. These are fundamentally relational difficulties requiring relational clinical responses. A pathway that addresses such presentations as evidence of a gender identity requiring affirmation and medical intervention is not engaging with the clinical reality. It is bypassing it.

Winnicott's account of the False Self is also relevant here. An identity formed and consolidated under conditions of psychological distress and institutional reinforcement feels entirely authentic to the person living it. That felt authenticity is not evidence that the identity is the appropriate clinical focus. Medicalising the presentation before the underlying distress has been adequately assessed and treated forecloses the exploratory space that genuine recovery requires.

Over the study period, patients presented in increasing numbers and at younger ages, with severe mood disorders and anxiety disorders the most common psychiatric diagnoses in the gender-referred group. This demographic pattern is consistent with Bronfenbrenner's ecological framework, which predicts rapid increases in presentation when a new identity framework is adopted simultaneously across multiple system levels. It is not consistent with the explanation that a previously hidden population is simply accessing care that was always appropriate for them.

What the Finnish data describes, read carefully and without the interpretive framework of the affirmative model, is a population of psychologically distressed young people, predominantly adolescent girls, who entered gender identity services already significantly unwell and who remained significantly more unwell than their peers after intervention. The clinical and ethical implications of that finding have not yet been adequately reckoned with by the institutions and professional bodies that promoted and implemented the affirmative pathway. They need to be."

https://x.com/prof_curiosity1/status/2041386260116144207

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

popery · 07/04/2026 17:32

If anyone genuinely thinks that Cass claims that any non- double-blind study is "junk science" then they haven't really grasped quite basic logic or understood what Cass has said...?

nutmeg7 · 07/04/2026 17:29

It’s almost as if trying to live in denial of your actual sex and constantly having to pretend that you are a member of the opposite sex is psychiatrically very difficult to sustain in a mentally healthy way.

It must be a huge strain to keep this knowledge buried from yourself.

noblegiraffe · 07/04/2026 17:28

AidaP · 07/04/2026 12:50

It's notably not printed in any notable scientific journals because it's junk science, have a read:

Fact Check: New Finnish "Study" Does Not Prove "Trans Youth Care Leads To Worse Outcomes"

Ok, I've read this.

It claims "What this means in practice is that a single routine monitoring appointment with a psychiatrist registers identically in this dataset to a psychiatric hospitalization. A pre-surgical psychological evaluation—required under Finnish law for anyone seeking gender reassignment—counts the same as an emergency crisis intervention. The very pathway that the gender-transition program in Finland puts transgender people on virtually guarantees psychiatric visits."

Then why is the Finnish study in the OP not showing psychiatric intervention rates for these transgender individuals as 100% or close to 100%? If they are required under Finnish law?

Has the author of this article misunderstood something?

BusyAzureTraybake · 07/04/2026 17:27

I've been watching the TRAs trying to discredit this study over the last couple of days. They are desperate. This study is hugely significant, and they know it.

nutmeg7 · 07/04/2026 17:19

AidaP · 07/04/2026 13:34

It does explain exactly that.

And why generally science goes into journals that peer review them, to catch "mistakes" like that. But as they could not get into any of the papers that would do so, it's published in something which does not require peer reviews, just posted without question.

Peer review is not some super high bar, it's science 101. Science standard, do you remember that thing, where 96% of trans supportive studies were rejected for supposedly not meeting that super high bar set in Cass review?

This does not even close first of dozen plus hurdles. But suddenly as it fits your narrative, that doesn't matter anymore. Neither did other anti-trans studies used in Cass, but that's another story.

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Whatever you say.🥱

SecretSquirrelLoo · 07/04/2026 17:17

Very silly people are trying to throw misinformation around to discredit a careful study published in a well-established peer-reviewed journal.

You’d think they’d want the best care and the best outcomes for trans-identifying children, but evidently they don’t.

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that Acta Paediatrica is a good journal. Research this significant which it publishes should be taken seriously.

The objections in that blog some twit posted earlier are ludicrous, childish bullshit by someone who lacks reading comprehension. The relevant bits are already answered in the paper itself.

Why are trans activists who supposedly care about trans-identifying children blithering out toxic nonsense instead of thinking about how to support trans youth better?

SirChenjins · 07/04/2026 16:52

AidaP · 07/04/2026 14:37

Lets just listen to cass then hm? She set the scientific bar, and excluded every publication that is not double blind.

This is not double blind, thus by cass standard it's junk science.

Take your rolling pin and do one. No-one is interested in what violent men like you have to say.

Hoardasurass · 07/04/2026 16:47

AidaP · 07/04/2026 14:37

Lets just listen to cass then hm? She set the scientific bar, and excluded every publication that is not double blind.

This is not double blind, thus by cass standard it's junk science.

Thats inaccurate no study into gender "medicine" is a double blind and Dr cass included multiple papers but ranked most poor as they were not reliable

Hoardasurass · 07/04/2026 16:22

AidaP · 07/04/2026 12:50

It's notably not printed in any notable scientific journals because it's junk science, have a read:

Fact Check: New Finnish "Study" Does Not Prove "Trans Youth Care Leads To Worse Outcomes"

@AidaP that sounds called fact checking article is so inaccurate that it mislabbels the trans identifying male figures as women and girls. If it cant even accurately distinguish between the female and male figures why would anyone believe anything else it says especially when it uses activist language like anti trans hate groups🤔

borntobequiet · 07/04/2026 15:44

Very good news about the data linkage study. I wonder what data actually exists.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 07/04/2026 15:39

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 07/04/2026 15:10

Hang on a minute - Stella O'Malley says THE DATA LINKAGE STUDY IS GOING AHEAD! Whoop!

She links to link to a Nick Wallis tweet with details
https://x.com/nickwallis/status/2039523878624542747?s=20

Thanks for the link, I hope one of the things they look at when they're considering the data, is how referrals to the clinical went from a steady 30 - 35 boys a year, for years, to suddenly jumping to 1500 referrals in a year, mainly girls.

aberamagold · 07/04/2026 15:32

Brainworm · 07/04/2026 11:48

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The logical argument would be to only allow physical transition in cases where mental health issues aren’t skewing perception. However, this would likely be illegal due to discrimination against those with mental health conditions. It is also hard to imagine concluding that someone is mentally well when they are seeking to undermine their health and function through taking exogenous hormones and removing healthy tissue.

Nobody has a 'right' to receive any kind of medical treatment. It's always a doctor's decision.
Doctors decline to offer patients treatments that would harm them all the time. Including because they have conditions that might amount to the protected characteristic of disability under the Equality Act where that applies.

FireHorse2026 · 07/04/2026 15:11

borntobequiet · 07/04/2026 14:55

Got a new rolling pin yet? The one you have is clearly unsafe for making pastry.

Why do you think threats of violent sexual assault are acceptable @AidaP . How disgusting.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 07/04/2026 15:10

Hang on a minute - Stella O'Malley says THE DATA LINKAGE STUDY IS GOING AHEAD! Whoop!

She links to link to a Nick Wallis tweet with details
https://x.com/nickwallis/status/2039523878624542747?s=20

Thingybob · 07/04/2026 15:09

Brainworm · 07/04/2026 11:48

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The logical argument would be to only allow physical transition in cases where mental health issues aren’t skewing perception. However, this would likely be illegal due to discrimination against those with mental health conditions. It is also hard to imagine concluding that someone is mentally well when they are seeking to undermine their health and function through taking exogenous hormones and removing healthy tissue.

But that's what did happen to the patients in this study.

It was only the ones who initially had good mental health (similar to the rates observed in the general population) that were given hormones and maybe surgery and by the end of the study the mental health of those treated was as poor as those that had never had treatment.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 07/04/2026 15:07

ThatBlackCat · 07/04/2026 14:02

Erininthemorning? BWHAHAHAHA FMD! That's the idiot who reckoned they 'debunked' Cass Review AND the WPATH Files and got basic facts from them both wrong. Anyone that believes ANYTHING he says has less common sense than a 3 year old.

ThatBlackCat
Anyone that believes ANYTHING he says has less common sense than a 3 year old.

Yes. As with the poster who quotes a source suffering from what clearly amounts to ignorance of what a control group is and what its function is, that must come under "coo-er-lumme what a plonker", I feel. (Though complete failure to understand Cochrane runs it close for incompetence.)

Funnily enough, I get the same feeling about a poster for whom I can say "every time he says something about anything I know about, he gets it provably or demonstrably wrong, or both". Not naming any particular poster on this thread, you understand, because that would be unkind, but after the first forty or so posts of his that I read, I stopped taking anything he wrote as worth bothering with.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 07/04/2026 15:04

The study authors concluded that for some adolescents, gender dysphoria may be an outgrowth of deeper psychological problems, and that adoption of a transgender identity may amount to a maladaptive coping mechanism.

maladaptive coping mechanism - this is what it is, it always has been and always will be, which is why it doesn't work.

borntobequiet · 07/04/2026 14:55

AidaP · 07/04/2026 12:50

It's notably not printed in any notable scientific journals because it's junk science, have a read:

Fact Check: New Finnish "Study" Does Not Prove "Trans Youth Care Leads To Worse Outcomes"

Got a new rolling pin yet? The one you have is clearly unsafe for making pastry.

Finnish study on transition and psychiatric outcomes in sex and gender shows  increased psychiatric morbidity
borntobequiet · 07/04/2026 14:53

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 07/04/2026 12:07

A nice discussion by Stella O’Malley which includes reference to the above study:

stellaomalley.substack.com/p/the-cass-paradox

Thanks for the link.

Brainworm · 07/04/2026 14:52

This thread is flagging what is often highlighted on this board.

What is a successful outcome for children and young people who have clinically significant distress that is attributed to gender related distress? With most psychiatric conditions, a positive outcome would usually be measured through self and other (patent/ teacher) subjective reports of wellbeing and objective measures relating to functioning (eating, sleeping, socialising, accessing and progressing in learning etc.

TRAs focus on superficial factors relating to bodily appearance - assuming that this will fix the psychiatric symptoms and impairment. They don’t seem to question if/how these factors actually improve quality of life and functioning. This study shows that despite treatment, those who receive gender affirming care continue ur to need highly levels of psychiatric care (not monitoring) brining into question the perceived benefits against the known risks.

TRAs adopt a starting position that a successful outcome is accessing the desired treatment. They focus on perspectives relating to satisfaction of the impact of treatment on their appearance and bodily changes. They don’t ever suggest they want more - such as reduction in symptoms that impact functioning. When studies do focus on these G’s tors they go mad. It reveals their priorities -

DialSquare · 07/04/2026 14:49

kiopsd · 07/04/2026 14:47

in my experience, when they know they’ve got nothing, they resort to blatant lies.

And threats of rape and violence.

kiopsd · 07/04/2026 14:47

GiantTeddyIsTired · 07/04/2026 14:45

There were no double-blind studies at all. Cass didn't exclude anything that wasn't double blind, because if she did, she'd have handed in a blank sheet of paper.

And it wasn't peer reviewed because it was a commissioned study.

You really are spectacularly mis-informed. Either that, or attempting to mislead.

in my experience, when they know they’ve got nothing, they resort to blatant lies.

GiantTeddyIsTired · 07/04/2026 14:46

Oh, and she didn't decide the quality - she used a version of the Newcastle-Ottawa scale - ie. a published standard to do that. She didn't just make arbitrary decisions on a whim.

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