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charliehungerford · 06/04/2026 10:15

AuntieMsDamsonCrumble · 01/04/2026 21:43

It doesn't seem to have occurred to any of these idiots that, if Queen Elizabeth had been a boy, there would have been no need for Henry VIII to get rid of Anne Boleyn in his desperation to sire an heir.

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So true, I can’t believe itv have commissioned such a rediculous drama that has zero basis in facts. The history of the era was very well documented. Elizabeth I wasn’t trans, wasn’t a man and wasn’t a lesbian. She was a phenomenally strong woman in an age when men held all the power. She simply didn’t want to relinquish her power to a man, that’s why she never married.

WittyLimeBiscuit · 06/04/2026 08:22

When I first saw this, I thought it was an April fool.
Sadly not. Why does every strong woman have to be turned into a man?
Am so sick of this bollox.

DameAlis · 05/04/2026 22:05

The late, great Glenda Jackson was the best Queen Elizabeth. Cate Blanchett & Judi Dench would be quite close behind. Anyone else would be a travesty

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 05/04/2026 17:10

Maybe someone just thought there must have been a typing error and so changed Lizard to Lesbian?

SabrinaThwaite · 05/04/2026 16:52

Swamphag · 05/04/2026 16:33

Could actual women apply to audition? Because I fear they may be setting a precedent here by saying that only transwomen can play transwomen. Because if that's the case then surely no transwoman can be cast as in a female role - they're explicitly saying that there's a difference between women and transwomen. Isn't this just terribly, terribly transphobic?
I'm sure there'll be some mind bending reason why this isn't the case and that transwomen are definitely the same as women unless circumstances dictate that being trans offers some kind of advantage (despite being marginalised and downtrodden)

Remember the hounding that Eddie Redmayne got for playing The Danish Girl?

A male actor playing a trans woman wasn’t good enough apparently, it should have been a trans actor. According to the trans lobby, a man in a dress just reinforced harmful stereotypes.

Yeah lads, no shit.

Swamphag · 05/04/2026 16:33

Could actual women apply to audition? Because I fear they may be setting a precedent here by saying that only transwomen can play transwomen. Because if that's the case then surely no transwoman can be cast as in a female role - they're explicitly saying that there's a difference between women and transwomen. Isn't this just terribly, terribly transphobic?
I'm sure there'll be some mind bending reason why this isn't the case and that transwomen are definitely the same as women unless circumstances dictate that being trans offers some kind of advantage (despite being marginalised and downtrodden)

YourAmplePlumPoster · 05/04/2026 10:07

It's like a sketch from Monty Python.

ADCisntme · 05/04/2026 09:07

TrendingTerror · 01/04/2026 21:08

Oooooo I love a “was elizabeth I a man” thread. It gives me the opportunity to mention our local folklore.

Apparently Henry VIII was on a hunting trip in our local forest and brought baby Elizabeth with him. Sadly the young princess died and the only red head headed baby the villagers could find was a a boy. So they did a swap!

This story has been going around here for many many years!!

This is the only thing that makes sense, but surely, what we know of Henry, he would have said “Oh well, it’s only a girl” and shrugged it off?

heathspeedwell · 04/04/2026 12:58

She can't possibly be a transwoman. We can see from her portraits that she doesn't do the head tilt.

RedToothBrush · 04/04/2026 12:17

CliantheLang · 02/04/2026 00:52

Blackadder did it better:

Nursie recalls the birth of Queenie, exclaiming: "A boy without a winkle? God be praised, it is a miracle. A boy without a winkle!".

I don't think they realised this was fictional comedy.

SwearOnChanel · 04/04/2026 11:55

Could it be regarded as discrimination? Actors are actors, professionals who are pretending to be something else regardless of their sex or whatever they might identify...

ScrollingLeaves · 03/04/2026 20:22

SabrinaThwaite · 03/04/2026 15:51

The casting call describes it as ‘an emotional and funny alternative history that takes place in the time of the Tudor court’ and expressly asks for applications from actors who identify as ‘transgender women’.

I wish some brilliant male actors, good at pretending to be ‘trans gender women’ would come forward to audition.

ConstanzeMozart · 03/04/2026 15:56

So anyone raising objections can just be told, 'it's not meant to be real, it's an alternative history.'
Sneaky.

SabrinaThwaite · 03/04/2026 15:51

ConstanzeMozart · 03/04/2026 14:29

Do we know, is it actually going to depict Elizabeth's life and reign but show her as being male?
Or is it based on Bram Stoker's idea and is thus going to show him being pompous, misogynistic, laughing at the idea of a woman being monarch etc?
If the former, I wonder how they'll deal with the fact that she was washed and dressed by servants, probably had a woman who slept in or by her bed, had her
bedsheets changed (and examined) by servants and her periods attended to etc?

The casting call describes it as ‘an emotional and funny alternative history that takes place in the time of the Tudor court’ and expressly asks for applications from actors who identify as ‘transgender women’.

Queen Elizabeth L portrays as trans in new ITV show
ConstanzeMozart · 03/04/2026 14:29

Do we know, is it actually going to depict Elizabeth's life and reign but show her as being male?
Or is it based on Bram Stoker's idea and is thus going to show him being pompous, misogynistic, laughing at the idea of a woman being monarch etc?
If the former, I wonder how they'll deal with the fact that she was washed and dressed by servants, probably had a woman who slept in or by her bed, had her
bedsheets changed (and examined) by servants and her periods attended to etc?

SabrinaThwaite · 02/04/2026 23:25

I saw the casting call a few weeks ago and thought how fucking tedious that historical strong women have to be transed, because women can’t be, you know, WOMEN.

I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman; but I have the heart and stomach of a king, and of a king of England too

No bloke is coming out with that.

DiaAssolellat · 02/04/2026 22:31

AsTreesWalking · 02/04/2026 21:55

Tiresome.

And tedious

Singrobin · 02/04/2026 22:28

HelenaWaiting · 02/04/2026 04:48

She did have romantic relationships. Possibly with the Earl of Essex and certainly with Robert Dudley. It is patently obvious why she did not marry. She couldn't. In the Royal pecking order at the time, a king was superior to a queen. Since she could not marry a commoner, suggested marriages, to scions of the royal houses of Europe would have rendered her junior to her husband and made England a vassal state. This is why, today, the wife of a male momarch is Queen, but if the monarch is female, her husband is Prince Consort.

I agree, I was listening to a podcast that talked about it, especially how problematic Mary 1 marriage had been. Even Queen Jane(Jane Grey) held firm against making her husband king.

SidewaysOtter · 02/04/2026 22:21

HelenaWaiting · 02/04/2026 04:48

She did have romantic relationships. Possibly with the Earl of Essex and certainly with Robert Dudley. It is patently obvious why she did not marry. She couldn't. In the Royal pecking order at the time, a king was superior to a queen. Since she could not marry a commoner, suggested marriages, to scions of the royal houses of Europe would have rendered her junior to her husband and made England a vassal state. This is why, today, the wife of a male momarch is Queen, but if the monarch is female, her husband is Prince Consort.

She knew her power and autonomy would be diminished by marriage, she would have been second fiddle to her own husband despite her being the hereditary monarch. And I imagine she saw what happened to Mary Queen of Scots when she married Lord Darnley. Who wouldn’t look at that and think, “Bugger that for a lark”?

As for this “Queen Elizabeth as trans” nonsense, I’m going to have to order more eye rolls because I’m now RIGHT OUT.

AsTreesWalking · 02/04/2026 21:55

Tiresome.

Burntt · 02/04/2026 21:41

This isn’t a new theory it’s been about for years. I’ve always been pissed off by it because before trans was current it was framed that she must have secretly been a man because a woman could not have ruled so well.

I agree with those saying she probably never got married because of what she experienced as a child. Her sister married and was then subject to her husband, back then for Elizabeth to have married would have meant handing power to her husband as wife’s were subject of their husbands. I believe she did it for her country, it was the best she could do in the times she lived. Trans is of our time and history should not be edited to fit with how people think today

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 02/04/2026 14:50

AuntieMsDamsonCrumble · 01/04/2026 21:43

It doesn't seem to have occurred to any of these idiots that, if Queen Elizabeth had been a boy, there would have been no need for Henry VIII to get rid of Anne Boleyn in his desperation to sire an heir.

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Isn't Ann Boleyn the wife that's currently being played by a man who says he's a women in a play on Broadway at the moment. Looks like the dreadful Dylan is playing the wrong royal. 😂

Swamphag · 02/04/2026 11:43

AuntieMsDamsonCrumble · 01/04/2026 21:43

It doesn't seem to have occurred to any of these idiots that, if Queen Elizabeth had been a boy, there would have been no need for Henry VIII to get rid of Anne Boleyn in his desperation to sire an heir.

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Or that maybe the reason Elizabeth never had a relationship was because she had to witness her father decapitating her mother because she wasn't born male. That would give anyone trust issues.

ADCisntme · 02/04/2026 11:40

Why would a male put on a dress and fight for their life to survive a sister Queen who they would take prominence over in the line of succession if they were male?

If they were male then their mother would have lived and produced more full blood siblings. The trans thing makes no sense on any level other than idiocy.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 02/04/2026 11:37

ScrollingLeaves · 02/04/2026 10:41

this audacious and original show to the screen. The brilliant scripts are a directors’ dream as we get to re-imagine and recreate an iconic piece of English history and tell a period story that looks stunning but also feels modern and relevant to todays’ viewer.”

AUDACIOUS
and ORIGINAL!!!

and so relevant.

Agreed 😵‍💫I think you can give a fantasy a historical background ground but you can't give history a fantasy background, and expect to be taken as AUDACIOUS or ORIGINAL. 😂

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